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Let's talk Relics
Topic Started: Jul 23 2005, 01:10 AM (383 Views)
gdog243
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I just found out today about the news about James Doohan's Death. While I kind of figured it was coming, it was still really sad, since he is probably my favorite actor in all of Star Trek. I know we have threads about them, but I'm kind of behind so I figured to kind of start another one, in the form of his guest appearence in this great episode.

Anyway, I remember when this episode first aired, and the whole idea of Star Trek was still really exciting and interesting to me. TNG was my first series, but I learned about the original as time went on, and watched most of the movies when TNG was first on. I remember seeing Scotty in and his wisdom for the first time I think in TSFS, but I think it was this episode that sealed his grace for me and why I love what he brought. He was adventurous, knowledgeable, and just downright seemed really cool. I consider the scene when he and Picard were on the bridge of the Enterprise talking about lost loves. I even watched that scene tonight and actually started to cry or at least get a bit teary eyed. I even decided to quote one line from that as tribute.

Over the years, I have seen more of the original series and the movies and still continue to love what Jimmy Doohan has brought to trekdom. He really was the miracle worker, and he will surely be missed.

Here's to ya lad. :cry:
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Part of me wished when this first aired that it had been a two parter. After all Spock got one for "Unification." As time went by though, and I watched this episode a few more times, it began to seem just about right. Having Scotty turn up the way he did bugged me a bit, but at least it was original. At first I kept thinking how unfair to the character to have him stuck in a transporter beam for the better part of a century. The solution to his dilemma made me appreciate the character all that much more.

It didn't hurt that the message of the episode seemed to be a reminder that we should listen to older folks with a lot more experience than the rest of us...
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gdog243
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Jul 22 2005, 11:19 PM
Part of me wished when this first aired that it had been a two parter. After all Spock got one for "Unification." As time went by though, and I watched this episode a few more times, it began to seem just about right. Having Scotty turn up the way he did bugged me a bit, but at least it was original. At first I kept thinking how unfair to the character to have him stuck in a transporter beam for the better part of a century. The solution to his dilemma made me appreciate the character all that much more.

It didn't hurt that the message of the episode seemed to be a reminder that we should listen to older folks with a lot more experience than the rest of us...

I don't know what they would have been able to do with a two parter. Unification (Even though I like it) isn't really considered to be the best thing, and to be fair, Spock only really appeared for the second part. I liked relics because it truly was a scotty show, and a show that was realistic and didn't pander to putting the Original series on a high pedestal, like DS9 had a tendency to do like with Trials and Tribble-ations. Also, giving Scotty his own shuttlecraft was a great send off.
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I appreciated another message in Relics: That of the danger of "living in the past." Sure, its fine to reflect on old memories and remember days gone by. Part of knowing who you are is to remember where you've come from. But dwelling on that past and wishing you "were back on the deck of the finest ship in the fleet" (purely a paraphrase... :P ) is to deny yourself new memories and great times that are still to come...even if you are "old and retired." Life moves forward, and to stay in the past robs you of the difference you can make in the future on other people's lives. Scotty reached that ephiphany, albeit in a more meloncholy way, when he said in the holodeck, "Computer, turn this bloody thing off." :)
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Fesarius
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HistoryDude,

Nicely said. I couldn't watch Relics without getting teary-eyed before I learned of Doohan's death. Now, it will be even more poignant.
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DEFIANT
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The companion (TNG book, not TOS episode) says that Unifictaion wasn't meant to be a 2parter. But because of DS9 there were rumors that TNG was not going to be continuing....so the staff made it a 2parter to show- we'll back in fall.
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Fesarius
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In other words, to show that unification between the series existed. ;)
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WayneSTOSfan
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TNG did seem to bring back ALOT of old TOS characters didn't it??

Kirk..only in Generations
Spock
Sarek
Bones..Admiral!!!!!! expected him to retire to Georgia long before that!!
Scotty

Relics was a very good episode...Geordi got on my NERVES alot dissin' Scoty!!

Whats really cool is that the transporter buffer trick was used in Elite force 2, BY his GRANDdaughter...CHief engineer as well!!

Were not all the old crew supposed to be dead by Relics?? And Scotty really was a MAN OUT of TIME!!
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Fesarius
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Geordi got on my NERVES alot dissin' Scoty!!

Wayne,

And on mine as well. I didn't understand the lack of respect, but after repeated viewings, I began to understand that it was intergral to the direction of the story. Thankfully, Geordi comes full circle by the end of the episode.
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Fesarius
Jul 26 2005, 12:04 PM
Thankfully, Geordi comes full circle by the end of the episode.

Agreed.
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gdog243
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Jul 26 2005, 10:04 AM
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Geordi got on my NERVES alot dissin' Scoty!!

Wayne,

And on mine as well. I didn't understand the lack of respect, but after repeated viewings, I began to understand that it was intergral to the direction of the story. Thankfully, Geordi comes full circle by the end of the episode.

Even with the first viewing, I thought Geordis reactions were really realistic. One thing I don't like was all the god-worshipping that the original Star Trek tends to get. I'm not say I don't like the series, but it was often put on a pedestal too high. Trials and Tribble-ations is a prime example and the only bad thing about a great episode.
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... but it was often put on a pedestal too high.

No it wasn't.

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Trials and Tribble-ations is a prime example and the only bad thing about a great episode.

No it isn't.
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I'm not say I don't like the series, but it was often put on a pedestal too high.




If I had my way there would be a TOS flag on top of MT EVEREST. :hail:


I was going to say on the Moon, but that might confuse the space aliens :news:






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Agreed. We don't have our children bow down before Kirk, Spock, and Bones when they see them on television, but it's close. ;)
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