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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 08:48 AM Post #16 |
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I would have to disagree - when I look at it with an open mind I see hate speech. As to it being insightful, I would have to disagree again. To me it seems rather mundane, we discus issue like this one at a level much more in depth then this cartoon has yet to achieve. It would seem that they cartoons are just exaggerations of old tired arguments and there is nothing insightful about them. Tom Tomorrow does however have a knack for drawing 60s style comics I will give him that. As to it being funny, I don’t really find hate speech funny, but to each his own I guess this is America after all. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jun 14 2005, 08:52 AM Post #17 |
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hate speech n. Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social or ethnic group or a member of such a group. I don't see any evidence of bigotry in this cartoon. Secondly, what you think the cartoon is about is people being upset that there arn't more deaths, and that's not what it's about. |
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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 09:06 AM Post #18 |
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"Bigoted speech attacking or disparaging a social group" - As much as you may not want to count people who disagree with your point of view as a "social group" protected form Bigotry, the fact is that they a are.
Ok I guess you have not read a single word I wrote in this post, because that is not what I think this cartoon is about nor is it what I expressed as what I think this cartoon is about. What I said this cartoon is about is that Tom Tomorrow would like to paint an entire "social group" as uncaring about and accepting of deaths, justified or not, so long as the number of deaths does not reach a magical unacceptable number. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jun 14 2005, 09:07 AM Post #19 |
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So anyone who holds a certain political opinion is regarded as a social group? Secondly, it has nothing to do with the number. It's all about Amnesty International. |
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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 09:15 AM Post #20 |
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As long as there is more then one person yes that would be called a “group”, and since it has to do with people interacting with each other that is a “social group”. You should read past the second block of the cartoon, in particular the fourth block might help. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jun 14 2005, 09:17 AM Post #21 |
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I understood the cartoon fine. You are the only one arguing this hate speech theory. |
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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 09:25 AM Post #22 |
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It would also seem that you (and maybe Gvok, but he not is arguing) are the only one arguing against it. Also I should point out that there was once a time, when there was only one person in a room who would argue that calling a black person a nigger was hate speech. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jun 14 2005, 09:26 AM Post #23 |
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Big difference between racism and political disagreement. So any political cartoon who singles out a group of people with a certain political opinion is hate speech? That's about half of the political cartoons. |
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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 09:35 AM Post #24 |
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I would agree. But there is not a big difference between this cartoon and racism. I would say that it is it has a lot to do with what is being said and how it is being said. Not all uses of the word nigger or off colored jokes on rascal differences are considered racism. It really depends on what is being said and how it is being said. So it would not effect 1/2 of the political cartoons out there. But it would effect many such as this one. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jun 14 2005, 09:38 AM Post #25 |
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That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. But you haven't convinced me. |
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| Dandandat | Jun 14 2005, 09:44 AM Post #26 |
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I doubt I ever could, but you to are entitled to your opinion that’s what makes America great. |
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