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Topic Started: Jun 10 2005, 11:30 PM (732 Views)
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Jun 11 2005, 10:18 AM
Antodav,

And BTW, why didn't you mail in any of those great scripts (esp. those having to do with Reed) to TPTB at Paramount?  You might have been able to save ENT from ... Extinction. :Fes:

Hey Minara...or Fesarius, I guess I should say.

I actually never had any scripts written out for Enterprise, only a few story ideas. I would have loved to submit them but unfortunately Paramount doesn't accept fan-submitted scripts anymore. My dream was to have my ideas become ENT episodes in Season 5. Then things got in the way...and the cancellation of Enterprise of course finally killed all hope of any of these episode ideas seeing the light of day on the screen.

Now, however, there's a new possible means for them to eventually be shown to the public: Strange New Worlds. Paul has submitted dozens of stories to SNW and is finally having one of his published in the upcoming issue. He has encouraged me to follow in his example; with ENT gone; it's the only practical method left now of getting our feet in the door of Paramount and ever seeing either of our series ideas come to fruition. If they don't violate SNW's rules, I plan to eventually write up some of these stories and submit them to SNW for consideration. Some of my ideas have been permanently ruined by the events of Seasons 3 and 4. But some of these ideas are so good that it would be a shame to just let them go to waste.

Starbase 12 is still there, but no one has posted anything there since November of last year. It is a ghost town. I go there sometimes to pick off things I've written and posted and save to my hard drive for future reference, but that's all.

Antodav

P.S.: So who's the cute girl in your avatar?!
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I would have loved to submit them but unfortunately Paramount doesn't accept fan-submitted scripts anymore.

Antodav,

Would that those days still existed. You would think that Paramount would understand that some people are very talented, and that to give these young writers a chance would be a very good thing. Perhaps another outlet, devoted solely to sci-fi writers who take their art very seriously, ought to be initiated (if such a thing has not already been done). I mentioned something similar to this several weeks ago here in relation to how the composer Arnold Schoenberg did just such a thing years ago when he founded the Society for Private Musical Performances (1919-21), which involved his pupils (Berg, Webern, et al.) in the presentation of new music under favourable conditions (and without allowing the attendance of critics). Perhaps here, TPTB could be substituted for 'critics.'

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Now, however, there's a new possible means for them to eventually be shown to the public: Strange New Worlds. Paul has submitted dozens of stories to SNW and is finally having one of his published in the upcoming issue. He has encouraged me to follow in his example; with ENT gone; it's the only practical method left now of getting our feet in the door of Paramount and ever seeing either of our series ideas come to fruition. If they don't violate SNW's rules, I plan to eventually write up some of these stories and submit them to SNW for consideration. Some of my ideas have been permanently ruined by the events of Seasons 3 and 4. But some of these ideas are so good that it would be a shame to just let them go to waste.

That is awesome news about CaptainPaul! I knew he was trying quite hard back when I was posting on the Starbase12 Board. It's great that he is being rewarded for his efforts.

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Some of my ideas have been permanently ruined by the events of Seasons 3 and 4.

That's a dang shame. I wish that were not true. No chance of salvaging any of them? Was it the Xindi arc or something else that was damaging?

BTW, thanks too for the information on Starbase12.

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Her name is Alexa Nikolas. She's a character in a t.v. I watch with my children. The other characters from that show are in my signature.
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So you like writing antodav? well in our fan fiction forum we are currently writing a rolling story and all members are welcome to pitch in. If you are interested you can link over to the page form my sig. In any case I hope you have fun here.
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Welcome to Sistertrek Antodav!

Fes has mentioned you a few times. I am looking forward to getting to know you. :wave2:
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An ENT and Voyager fan, I'm glad we are finally attracting quality members ;) :D
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And Antodav is quite a writer. You ought to see (read) some of the things he posted on ENT over on the other Board. He developed some of the characters very well, IMO.
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I would have loved to submit them but unfortunately Paramount doesn't accept fan-submitted scripts anymore.



Antodav,

Would that those days still existed. You would think that Paramount would understand that some people are very talented, and that to give these young writers a chance would be a very good thing. Perhaps another outlet, devoted solely to sci-fi writers who take their art very seriously, ought to be initiated (if such a thing has not already been done). I mentioned something similar to this several weeks ago here in relation to how the composer Arnold Schoenberg did just such a thing years ago when he founded the Society for Private Musical Performances (1919-21), which involved his pupils (Berg, Webern, et al.) in the presentation of new music under favourable conditions (and without allowing the attendance of critics). Perhaps here, TPTB could be substituted for 'critics.'


The closest thing to that, I guess, would be Strange New Worlds. It would however indeed be very nice if Trek were open to the public again.

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Some of my ideas have been permanently ruined by the events of Seasons 3 and 4.



That's a dang shame. I wish that were not true. No chance of salvaging any of them? Was it the Xindi arc or something else that was damaging?


Well, in Season 3 it wasn't so much the Xindi arc as it was the way the characters were developed that ruined some good ideas I had for the show. For example, if you remember several of my episode ideas were going to attempt to explore the darkness within Malcolm Reed...but in Season 3 that darkness was lifted (perhaps because he had things to shoot at now? I don't know). He wasn't the same character that season that he had been before. Suddenly HE was the one who was trying to uplift Trip, who was on an emotional rampage after the death of his sister. It seemed as though their relationship had been completely reversed. You also may recall that I wanted to make Trip Tucker into a more deeply religious character, make Archer "open-minded" about God without really being deeply religious himself, and then make Malcolm into an atheist completely devoid of any faith whatsoever. Then came "Chosen Realm"...and with one vile episode, Enterprise threw away any chance it had of being, due to its setting in the pre-Federation era, the first Trek series without Gene Roddenberry's "evolved sensibilities." The way that the whole Trip/T'Pol relationship was pursued while Archer/T'Pol, with the exception of "Twilight," was virtually abandoned also angered me...almost all of my ideas for character dynamics were ruined in Season 3. The only one that could still potentially have survived was the Mayweather/Sato relationship, which, as had been the case in the previous seasons, recieved almost no development whatsoever. "Hatchery" however made of of my favorite episode ideas, "Inner Demons," seem redundant due to the fact that it also featured a mutiny on Enterprise against Archer's leadership...though it was for completely different reasons.

It was Season 4 that managed to destroy many of my best story arc ideas and so forth.

For example, I had ideas about Vulcan society that were similar to the ones described in the Vulcan trilogy of episodes this season. I had them unfolding in a slightly different manner, but the core premise--that 22nd Century Vulcan was under the rulership of a fundamentalist state that had perverted the teachings of Surak from what we've always known them to be--was the same. But instead of meeting up with her mother and becoming involved with a counter-High Command insurgent group, I was going to have T'Pol travel to Vulcan and spend some time studying with an ancient Vulcan religious master, who was going to give her unorthodox treatment for her Pa'nar Syndrome (another loose thread that was abandoned). He was going to try to teach her the truth about Vulcan history, society, and biology (like for example, that ALL Vulcans are capable of doing mind-melds, but that some are born with the capability while others have to study first) and heal her with a fal tor voh...the same treatment that was said to be able to heal Tuvok in "Endgame." She was then going to learn how to initiate mind-melds, turn against the High Command, and covertly assist in a revolution on Vulcan that would culminate several decades after the founding of the Federation with the restoration of democracy and traditional Vulcan values. I had even considered tying that story arc into the story of Garth of Izar, the famous military figure from the TOS episode "Whom Gods Destroy."

The Ridgeless Klingon story arc also tossed out ideas I had about how they came into existence, but that was not really quite so significant since my biggest ideas about them are regarding what eventually became of them in the end...which can and will still be dealt with in an episode of Commodore.

But the biggest thing about Season 4 that bothered me came at the very end, when Manny Coto decided to toy around with Colonel Green, for whom I have some MAJOR Commodore ideas. I plan to have him be a completely different figure from the way he was depicted in either "Demons" or "The Savage Curtain." Just as Kahless turned out to be a deeply honorable and noble figure, in sharp contrast to the vicious, bloodthirsty warmonger that was drawn from Captain Kirk's prejudiced mind by the Excaliban, I'm going to have Colonel Green have been a victim of the Federation's revisionist history. In the three-part episode "Tribulation"/"Conflagration"/"New World Order," set in the distant past a la Voyager's "11:59" or Enterprise's "Carbon Creek," Colonel Green and his followers will be shown to have been not racist, genocidal fascists, but in fact freedom fighters who tried and failed to prevent the United States from being consumed by the New World Order in the mid-21st Century. One of Geoffrey Henderson's ancestors will actually have been Green's right-hand man. "Demons" showed what was supposedly some actual video of Colonel Green making a Hitler-like rant against racial impurity in the 21st Century, but I refuse to accept that and instead have chosen to reason that the video records of Green were fabricated, invented by the United Earth government to justify their historical portayal of Green.

I was almost thoroughly disappointed with the way Manny Coto handled being in charge of day-to-day operations of Enterprise, and I give him a great deal of credit for getting the series canned. It is true that he was trying to get the series back on track as a prequel to the original, but he did so in a very gimmicky and "Trekkie" sort of way that didn't really have any meat or substance to it. He brought back the Romulans but not in a way that really foreshadowed the Romulan Wars; he showed the Federation starting to be founded six years before it was really supposed to. And then the final episode, "These Are the Voyages..." was simply disgraceful. Except for Trip Tucker's death. I liked that. :evil1:

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Her name is Alexa Nikolas. She's a character in a t.v. I watch with my children. The other characters from that show are in my signature.


I guess that show would be called Zoey 101...I've never heard of it, unfortunately.

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So you like writing antodav? well in our fan fiction forum we are currently writing a rolling story and all members are welcome to pitch in. If you are interested you can link over to the page form my sig. In any case I hope you have fun here.


If there's a communal story going on around here, I reckon I should find it and particiapate...I'm still disappointed that we never got to finish "Siren's Song" on SB12...I had some pretty good ideas for that one too but was waiting in vain for someone else to do another chapter...I didn't want to take over the whole project after all...

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You also may recall that I wanted to make Trip Tucker into a more deeply religious character, make Archer "open-minded" about God without really being deeply religious himself, and then make Malcolm into an atheist completely devoid of any faith whatsoever.

Antodav,

Yes, I remember some of your ideas on this topic. We bantered back and forth about how one could have dealt with Reed; I recall that you wanted him to be unstable. It took about three or so seasons before I realized what you meant by this, I believe.

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I'm going to have Colonel Green have been a victim of the Federation's revisionist history. In the three-part episode.

I look forward to reading this. It sounds both promising and intriguing. :)

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"Hatchery" however made of of my favorite episode ideas, "Inner Demons," seem redundant due to the fact that it also featured a mutiny on Enterprise against Archer's leadership...though.

Yes, I remember thinking (back then) that having a mutiny on the Enterprise was odd. Somehow, you had the foresight to know that it *could* occur in the ENT iteration of Trek.

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but was waiting in vain for someone else to do another chapter...I didn't want to take over the whole project after all...

There are some very creative people on this Board. I don't think you'll have to wait too long here, and the level of participation is much greater here than it ever was on Starbase12.
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Well, I went and I read what you all have written so far for the second installment of your group story that you are all working on. It's certainly very interesting, and I applaud you all for your hard work on it...however, it's going in a direction different from that in which the ideas I have for World War III are going, and since I can't make any changes to the story that would be considered too radical I've decided not to take part in writing it for now. If that changes of course I'll let you all know right away...but for now I think I'll just focus on Commodore foremost and my ENT/SNW ideas secondmost.

Just a bit of advice though...you may want to get someone to go through and proofread that story. I found several grammatical and spelling errors throughout it that it might be good if someone corrected. Just a suggestion. :)

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Antodav,

Is there a link to SNW at present? Coincidentally, that is also the next ENT episode I am viewing (tomorrow night).
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Jun 12 2005, 03:22 PM
Well, I went and I read what you all have written so far for the second installment of your group story that you are all working on. It's certainly very interesting, and I applaud you all for your hard work on it...however, it's going in a direction different from that in which the ideas I have for World War III are going, and since I can't make any changes to the story that would be considered too radical I've decided not to take part in writing it for now. If that changes of course I'll let you all know right away...but for now I think I'll just focus on Commodore foremost and my ENT/SNW ideas secondmost.


The door is always open.

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Just a bit of advice though...you may want to get someone to go through and proofread that story. I found several grammatical and spelling errors throughout it that it might be good if someone corrected. Just a suggestion.  :)
Yes that would be a good idea, but I don’t think any of use take it that seriously, its more of writing the story then getting it presentable worthy. The members on this board are the only ones who see it (and even as small number at that) and I doubt they are to worried about it. I would do it my self if I wasn't dyslexic, I even tried on our first story but got board and moved on.


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The members on this board are the only ones who see it....

Emperor Scotty,

So I can't continue to post it on the Startrek.com and TrekBBS Boards any longer? :Fes:
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The members on this board are the only ones who see it....

Emperor Scotty,

So I can't continue to post it on the Startrek.com and TrekBBS Boards any longer? :Fes:

No that is a clear violation of US copy right laws. Go to jail, Go directly to jail, Do not pass go, Do not collect $200.
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