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| Fesarius | May 31 2005, 01:21 PM Post #61 |
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Doc, Actually, you did say that, since words can mean anything we want them to mean. J/K .;)
Noah, What do you mean by this? I've read the diaries of Bradford, Alden, et al. What do you believe did not happen? |
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| doctortobe | May 31 2005, 01:30 PM Post #62 |
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Tradition. But I don't see any activist groups protesting in front of Mt. Vernon against the illegal deforestation brought about by President Washington. Nor is anybody throwing a fit about him littering when he threw a silver dollar across the Potomac (there were no allegations of steriod abuse either). But you do prove that education can indeed be used as a source of misinformation. If it can be done with harmless American legends, why can't it be done with anti-American rhetoric? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 01:34 PM Post #63 |
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I don't know what you're trying to say about the deforestation and the silver dollar, but these are lies told to small children without the ability to understand why an adult would lie to them about history. College students are a bit more difficult to confuse. If they question the professor's point of view, they have a libraray to research and even can challange him/her in class! |
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| Fesarius | May 31 2005, 01:45 PM Post #64 |
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Noah, What about Thanksgiving? |
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| doctortobe | May 31 2005, 01:49 PM Post #65 |
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It is not hard at all. The professor is the source of the knowledge that the students will learn. If they do not KNOW that something being told them is wrong, then how do they know to research or question it? If I did not take a great deal of Chemistry before I took Physics, I would not know to question my professor as to why Physicists use opposite lines of reference when it comes to enthalpy. That said, if the professors don't teach the students that something is wrong, how will they know that it is wrong? College life is a very VERY good breeding ground for misinformation. 1. Many, if not most professors now do not require you to purchase textbooks. Studying is based solely off of their lectures. 2. College students do not have the time to go jump into the library to see if their professor is telling the truth or not. Between jobs and other classes, they hardly have enough time to get a decent nights sleep. 3. The student's grade is based upon agreeing with the professor's lecture. That provides enticement to accept said lecture. Now, I am not saying that this is widespread. The vast majority of college professors are interested only in giving their students an education. But for those few that are not (or are on the payroll of the NK government), the system is ripe for sowing seeds of misinformation. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 01:54 PM Post #66 |
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Much of the work done in college is in the form of research papers. Students are reqired to critically think about a variety of issues and expected to spend a good deal of time researching a number of different sources and drawing conclusions based on thier own thought and effort creating their research paper. Could you be more specific as to what misinformation you think is being spread at universities? Who is on the payroll of the NK government? What is the NK government? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 31 2005, 02:20 PM Post #67 |
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Just because students are expected to think critically means that they actually do. I've seen some awful papers by both students and graduates. Be more specific? We've had this discussion on several threads. There are many ROK (Republic of Korea) "student organizations" that are funded and guided by the DPRK. There are also groups like Pomminnyon (Pan-national Alliance for the Reunification of Korea) and the former Minminkahryun (Alliance for Peoples Democratic Student Movement). |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 02:24 PM Post #68 |
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If you cannot discuss the topic, why are you replying? I thought we were discussing professors brainwashing students, which I think we can agree is nonsense. As far as organizations go, they don't have to be impartial. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 31 2005, 02:28 PM Post #69 |
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Then you've gotten OFF TOPIC again. I am replying to SOUTH KOREA. You brought up brainwashing. If you can't keep up, you might consider taking a lunch break or something, just so you can rest up. No, brainwashing is NOT nonsense. Of course you are probably more likely to AGREE with what said professors are pushing on students. Especially for the undergrad, students must write to the professor instead of the topic (I've seen this from papers I've reviewed for students at U of H and Rice, and I'm finishing up a graduate program at U of H). I've seen it to a lesser extent in graduate school, but it exists. There are times when, in disagreeing with the professor, you have to "get in his face" in your paper, especially if you disagree with his version of the subject matter. So, would you prefer to split off this topic, and maybe move it to another forum, or get back on topic? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 02:39 PM Post #70 |
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Actually I didn't bring up brainwashing, but I must disagree with your assessment of college professors. I can't remember a single one who wouldn't give credit if they could back up their position with facts. Regarding South Korea, I have heard several stories about people who resent US Military presence and not just students. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 31 2005, 04:42 PM Post #71 |
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Source? Source? Regarding professors and bias, I've seen tons at U of H, even in the College of Business... I didn't see much at Annapolis at all, but that was a completely different situation. |
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| CV6 Enterprise | May 31 2005, 04:46 PM Post #72 |
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I agree with Min that indocternation would be a better word instead of brainwashing. Some professors do push an agenda. I had a liberal professor at ICCC, but I would always challenged him on topics. He never docted my grade, but I'm afraid that as I'm working on getting my doctorate, I'll run into those kind of professors that repress other views, that have that 'I'm the professor and I'm always right' attitude. I don't doubt that North Koreans are behind these protests. I've heard that the Soviets were behind a lot of the organizations that protested the Vietham war in the 60s and 70s. Even today, It seems like a lot of the anti war orginizations are funded by Communists, Socialists, and Anarchists. I'm not sure who it was that said it, but it is easy to indocternate college students, because we still don't really think for ourselves for the most parts. (I like to think I do, but I'm sure there are those on this board that think I've been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh
)It really scares me as a conservative because I want to get a doctorate in history, and possibly minor in political science, two of the most liberal fields of study. I'm afraid that I won't get good grades or even be able to finish because of my views. I want to teach college level history, and I'm also afriad that I won't get hired because of my conservative views As to the students protesting. It seems to be that way through out history. It was student protests that were a driving force behind the unification of the Italian city-states for one example. Also, student movements were behind a lot of the failed revolutions in Europe in 1848. Another example is the Iranian revolution of 1979. That was student driven. Now, in 2004-2005, we hear of pro-western protests in Tehran, again, driven by students. I don't think we should leave South Korea. One reason, there is the very real chance of the North swarming across the DMZ. (although, maybe if these students were to see the brutality of the Commies, they would understand better) Also, we need to stay in South Korea in order to deal with Kim Jung Ill. Oh, 24 about what you said here
Have you been to a college campus lately? There are a lot of idiots around. Like the ones that were they're pants half way down their butts. I'm 21, and I'm scared about what my generation will end up doing to this country and world when we're put in charge, unless we can weed out the morons by then. I can't even imagine what the older generations are thinking about us. |
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| doctortobe | May 31 2005, 05:20 PM Post #73 |
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For the love of Mike, nobody who is trying to argue that these students were coerced brought up the term "brainwashing". It was brought up by gvok and it has now taken discussion off on a tangent.
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| Minuet | May 31 2005, 05:29 PM Post #74 |
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^^^ But at least it is a related tangent which is more then can be said for many of our threads
CV6 - you have NOT been brainwashed by Rush Limbaugh. You have, however, been indoctrinated by him
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| 24thcenstfan | May 31 2005, 05:35 PM Post #75 |
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Moderator Comment Unfortunately, the South Korea comments are so intertwined with the brainwashing comments, it would be a little difficult to split the thread now. That being the case, I am asking everyone to get back on topic of South Korea, US troop presence in S. Korea and anti-US protests in South Korea (or more related comments). Thanks. End Moderator Comment |
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