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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 09:29 AM Post #31 |
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What would you call voluntary brainwashing such as joining a religious cult? |
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| who | May 31 2005, 09:29 AM Post #32 |
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There have been a number of announced base closings in the US with protest from the communities because of loss of income to the community. Why should the US maintain bases in Korea and support their economy unless they pay the US cost plus? It is just not fair to the US taxpayer. With few exceptions, I think we should close foreign bases. The countries can either pay the US at a profit or spend their own money for their defense instead of making patsies of the US. |
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| Wichita | May 31 2005, 09:30 AM Post #33 |
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You are kidding, aren't you? Where did you get the idea that only ONE person did that at a time? AND UN peacekeepers (according to UN official reports) HAVE ENGAGED IN GANG RAPE and have NOT been even tried. Some, in fact, have simply been reassigned to other refugee camps. I don't see how being raped by just one person is OK in your estimation, but you are incorrect to assume that UN staff and troops did not engage in gang rape. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 09:32 AM Post #34 |
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So both the US and UN have committed the same crime. We have a stalemate. Can we get back on topic? I only meant to offer an explanation for the protests. :rolleyes:
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| Dwayne | May 31 2005, 09:34 AM Post #35 |
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My anger is mounting ... someone slap him down. ANY US service member charged with committing rape will be tried and if found guilty, will then be sentenced by a military court. The UN personnel are not facing justice at all. |
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| Minuet | May 31 2005, 09:44 AM Post #36 |
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People who join cults do not do so voluntarily. They may go to thier first meeting out of curiousity. But what keeps them there are brainwashing techniques in thier purest form. First people are usually taken on a "retreat" While there they are deprived of sleep and food to make them amenable. While in this state they are told the same things over and over until they believe wholeheartedly. You rarely hear about these types of techniques being used in Politics. In fact I would say that politically you are far more likely to find people that have come to thier own decision through the course of free will. Students may be indoctrinated to some extent by thier professors - but they are coming in with clear minds and full stomachs fully able to think for themselves. And they are free to leave the room. Many do reject what the professors say. |
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| Wichita | May 31 2005, 09:48 AM Post #37 |
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Or, in other words, you don't want people to question what you said .. I understand why ...
THE US committed the same crime? You certainly haven't demonstrated that. UN officials in charge of distributing food to refugees - AS PART OF THEIR JOBS - are demanding sex from children for that food. UN "peacekeepers" are raping people over whom they have official control. The UN has done nothing about actions taken by these people in the COURSE OF DOING THEIR JOBS. Yes, US servicemen commit crimes. Individuals commit crimes - even UN officials stationed in NYC commit crimes. The case in your link didn't have quite the response though that your link made it appear.
Source So your one link that mentioned this - although not exactly on topic since it mentions Okinawa, not South Korea - tells a story of individual US military committing a crime - for which they were tried, convicted and sentenced in a Japanese court. |
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| Fesarius | May 31 2005, 09:48 AM Post #38 |
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And you have listed three items from my list of what to look for in a cult. These are almost all synchronous commonalities, although there is some deviation from cult to cult. |
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| psyfi | May 31 2005, 09:49 AM Post #39 |
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Regarding brainwashing, technically it is a very difficult thing to do. The Chinese did it successfully to some US soldiers during the Korean war BUT they had what was required to do it, namely having a person in a confined environment and totally controlling his reinforcement. Religious cults do often have the ability to do this and so are frequently successful; but without the contained environment and pretty much total control over people's reinforcement, nobody is being brainwashed. |
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| Minuet | May 31 2005, 09:52 AM Post #40 |
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^^^ Exactly my point! |
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| Wichita | May 31 2005, 09:53 AM Post #41 |
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True, I don't regard the students as "brainwashed". It is natural for the young to be much more about change than older people (as a generalization, not everybody). |
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| Minuet | May 31 2005, 10:02 AM Post #42 |
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When I was a student I went on a retreat with the Jewish Student Union. They had a guest for the weekend who was an expert in cults. We had an excellent seminar on what to look for. It was an important topic for us because Jews for Jesus uses cult techniques to convert Jews and they target students. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 10:04 AM Post #43 |
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I'm so sorry but everytime I hear "Jews for Jesus" I can't help but think of that scene in Airplane! when the colonel is fighting off solicitors at the airport.
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| Fesarius | May 31 2005, 10:19 AM Post #44 |
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When I was an undergraduate, I was approached a couple of times by members from different cults. They are so sweet and kind in the beginning. They even invited me to dinner at their home. Before I accepted their invitation, I questioned their tenets. I also mentioned that the founder of one of the cults had recently deceased, and that I was curious who would take over as their leader now that he was no longer living. They proceeded to swear at me and got all bent out of shape. Needless to say, my invitation to dinner was revoked. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 31 2005, 10:21 AM Post #45 |
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I am frequently approached by people wanting to convert me. It gets quite annoying. |
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I'm so sorry but everytime I hear "Jews for Jesus" I can't help but think of that scene in Airplane! when the colonel is fighting off solicitors at the airport.

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