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Underfunded VA; Your Tax Cuts at Work
Topic Started: May 27 2005, 01:03 PM (802 Views)
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 10:48 AM
Murder is already illegal. We are talking about victimless crimes when we're talking about gambling and alcohol.

We are not talking about victimless crimes in either instance.
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Dr. Noah
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victimless crime

n : an act that is legally a crime but that seem to have no victims; "he considers prostitution to be a victimless crime"

Who is the victim?
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^^^ The spouse, children, or parents of the gambler.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 11:06 AM
victimless crime

n : an act that is legally a crime but that seem to have no victims; "he considers prostitution to be a victimless crime"

Who is the victim?

Society is the victim. For example, the prostitution industry destroys families, harming children's futures, reducing the likelihood of children becoming productive members of society to their full potential. A similar arguement can be made for gambling.

We have lots of laws and programs to protect society in general.
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Dr. Noah
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It could be argued by making gambling and hard liquor illegal would cause more damage to society by increasing funding for organized crime.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 11:15 AM
It could be argued by making gambling and hard liquor illegal would cause more damage to society by increasing funding for organized crime.

I don't think that it would be a particularly persuasive and convincing arguement.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 10:02 AM
It would also make a big difference if we practiced a better form of capitalism by allowing industries to compete on thier own without government subsidies. Giving taxpayer money to private companies seems dishonest.

Airbus is a prime example...
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Dr. Noah
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As is the nuclear power industry.

38, I think people who lived through the Prohibition era would disagree.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 11:22 AM
As is the nuclear power industry.

38, I think people who lived through the Prohibition era would disagree.

There was crime as a result of prohibition, no arguement. But alcohol consumption went way down. It was effective.
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Dr. Noah
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Organized crime was never so organized during that time. They had entire cities bought and paid for.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 11:29 AM
Organized crime was never so organized during that time. They had entire cities bought and paid for.

Just depends on how you define organized crime. There was lots of organized crime before and after prohibition. The Chicago and Detroit organized crime gang activity of the 1920s has just been glamorized to such a large extent that it seems worse.
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Dr. Noah
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But during that time they made more money than ever. It is well known that the mobs would harrass businesses into cooperating or risk execution. Public officials were also similarly bribed or blackmailed or assasinated.

I don't think it's very convincing for someone to look back on history when such terrible things happened and say "it wasn't so bad" such as slavery. How would you know?
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Maybe we need a slavery thread. I don't for a moment believe I had anything to do with slavery. To me, the concept of racial guilt is destructive, not redemptive.
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Dr. Noah
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I'm just saying it's pretty disingenuous to look back at an event you never experienced and say it wasn't so bad. I could say that some things in history weren't so bad but I have no idea unless I myself experienced it. I think it's dangerous to do so.
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With that I would agree.
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