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Underfunded VA; Your Tax Cuts at Work
Topic Started: May 27 2005, 01:03 PM (803 Views)
Dr. Noah
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It would also make a big difference if we practiced a better form of capitalism by allowing industries to compete on thier own without government subsidies. Giving taxpayer money to private companies seems dishonest.
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I don't know much about that. On the surface, it may seem unethical. If it is legal, though....
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Gvok,

I frequently see your usage of impact in some of your posts. Do you have a specific dollar amount in mind?


In this instance I use "impact" to mean bring the budget anywhere close to balanced.
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Okay. I just continue to wonder what amount would make a difference in your mind. I know sending your check will not, and I know that all of the money in the world would. There must be a middle ground, and that is what I was after.
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If we take in as much as we spend (plus a little extra to pay down the debt) I will be satisfied. I'm not advocating anything radical Fes. I'm not sure why you think it's such a crazy idea.
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I'm not sure why you think it's such a crazy idea.

Gvok,

Please don't assume that. I don't even know yet if I agree or disagree. This is discourse. :)
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I'm all for discussing this. But statements like:

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Okay. I just continue to wonder what amount would make a difference in your mind. I know sending your check will not, and I know that all of the money in the world would. There must be a middle ground, and that is what I was after.


lead me to believe you are just interested in getting a zinger in.
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Gvok,

Absolutely not. Honest.
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Okay.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 10:02 AM
It would also make a big difference if we practiced a better form of capitalism by allowing industries to compete on thier own without government subsidies. Giving taxpayer money to private companies seems dishonest.

You must be a Libertarian. :lol:
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Dr. Noah
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Touche, but I don't think it's libertarian to expect private industries to compete on their own without government support.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 09:52 AM
Well, it's up to the individual to seek help if he/she has a problem.  You could make the same argument for taxing alcohol as well.

Not unless you are suggesting that we make alcohol legal for the primary reason of collecting tax revenue. Alcohol is legal because most Americans want it legal. Prohibition worked, but Americans really didn't want it after a while.

I subdivide the general category of alcohol into distilled spirits and other. I would actually be in favor of eleminating distilled alcohol as I see no good in it, but I would not ban or discourage through taxation beer and wine. I would rather ban distilled alcohol and cigarrettes before making the government dependent on the revenue.

For casino gambling, many in Texas make the arguement that we lose tax revenue to Lousisianna by not having casinos in Texas. Texans are just going to Louisianna to gamble. That may be true in a limited amount, but you cannot convince me that there would not be several orders of magnitude more gambling by Texans if legalized casinos came into existence. And then there is the fund education with casino tax revenue arguement. A. what happened to the lottery revenue that was supposed to save the day for education? B. I don't want public education dependent upon revenue from organized gambling for its existence. That is insane in my opinion.

I basically disagree with the idea of 'sin' taxes. Either it is wrong or acceptable, not "it is wrong, but we are going to cash in on it and rely on it for tax revenue."
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Dr. Noah
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Unfortunately, public schools have had to get more and more creative for their funding. But I understand your position. I think though that outlawing things like alcohol and gambling is asking for trouble. People will seek these things whether they are illegal or not, by doing so, they are funding the black market and increasing the volume and efficiency of organized crime in this country.
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Dr. Noah
May 31 2005, 10:44 AM
Unfortunately, public schools have had to get more and more creative for their funding. But I understand your position. I think though that outlawing things like alcohol and gambling is asking for trouble. People will seek these things whether they are illegal or not, by doing so, they are funding the black market and increasing the volume and efficiency of organized crime in this country.

The same arguement can be made for murder. Why not tax murder? $1,000,000 for a legal murder. Use it to fund education and build roads.
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Dr. Noah
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Murder is already illegal. We are talking about victimless crimes when we're talking about gambling and alcohol.
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