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Evidence that the president planed to go to war; long before he told the American people.
Topic Started: May 26 2005, 08:05 AM (439 Views)
Darthsith
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Franklin D. Roosevelt's pledge, made "again and again and again," that no American boys would be sent overseas to fight in a foreign war a pledge made at a time when he was working secretly with Winston Churchill to involve us 100 percent in Europe's hostilities.

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1401406/posts

and befor some one says the source is biased - I am sure the comemntry of the artical is, but it is a documented fact that FDR was secretly suporting Churchill all the while leing to the people of the USA saying he would not invlove them in a foreign war.
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WWII was a war of necessity. Iraq was a war of choice.
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I will think about that statement for a time. I may get back to you on the validity of your assertion.
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gvok
May 26 2005, 01:10 PM
WWII was a war of necessity.  Iraq was a war of choice.

Who is talking about the Iraq war?

But I would say if we had a time device and went back to a point in time before FDR won his third election after promising not to take the us to war, and asked an American whether they thought going to war in Europe was a “necessity” or a “choice”. Much more often then not, you will get the answer of "choice" and they would be against it. These sentiments would persist through out the war, with people believing Japan was the only legitimate target for war not Hitler.

Hind sight lets us know these ideas where wrong, but it kind of makes you wonder how the Iraq war and the war on terror will be seen 70 years hence when "all" the secret letters are declassified. Will it be seen as a war of choice or a war of necessity?
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I am talking about the Iraq "war".
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Darthsith
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Yes and I have answered your question.

I wonder how it will be seen 70 hence, when all the secret letters have been declassified. Will it be seen as a necessity or a choice? It is certainly a fact that many in the WWII era thought a war with Hitter was a choice (and the wrong choice), and now we know how wrong they where
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So you are saying Saddam was as much of a threat pre-invasion as Hilter was?
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gvok
May 26 2005, 01:31 PM
So you are saying Saddam was as much of a threat pre-invasion as Hilter was?

I am not saying that at all, I said I wonder how the situation will be seen 70 years from now and I am pointing out that an American 70 years ago ask the same question of Hitler would most likely say that he was not a big threat at all, and that a war with him was very wrong.
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Gvok,

We are inventing some straw men here, when a simple switch of words would couch the question more invitingly.
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Perhaps. However, I really think these are two very different situations. I guess I have to accept that other people (for what ever reason) do not.
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Dr. Noah
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You cannot compare WWII to the Iraq War. Hitler invaded several nations before the US got involved. In fact, the US didn't get involved until Germany declared war on America after Japan attacked us.

Hussein never attacked America. Hussein didn't invade another nation. We invaded Iraq and our leader lied about the reasons for going to war.
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Dr. Noah
May 26 2005, 01:54 PM
You cannot compare WWII to the Iraq War. Hitler invaded several nations before the US got involved. In fact, the US didn't get involved until Germany declared war on America after Japan attacked us.

Hussein never attacked America. Hussein didn't invade another nation. We invaded Iraq and our leader lied about the reasons for going to war.

First I did not compare Iraq to WWII Gvok went that way.


I was simply posting about how a US president planed to go to war long before he told the American people, and all the while lying to them about doing his best to keep them out of the war. That its true that he lied and manipulated facts to involve America in a war they where not for with a country that did not attack them.

If you see parallels between this president and the current president that is wonderful but I was not suggesting that.
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Dr. Noah
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Then what is the reason for your post?
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gvok
May 26 2005, 01:53 PM
Perhaps. However, I really think these are two very different situations. I guess I have to accept that other people (for what ever reason) do not.

Of course they are different situations. One happened 70 years ago and one is happening now. The world has changed a lot since then. One of the major differences is more wildly available video footage of both the presidents involved and the conflict its self. Also is a much more invasive news media.
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Dr. Noah
May 26 2005, 02:07 PM
Then what is the reason for your post?

I watched a discovery times program last night on FDR and found it interesting.
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