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Bush Pushing Hydrogen Fuel As Alternative
Topic Started: May 25 2005, 11:25 PM (395 Views)
Dwayne
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24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 08:15 AM
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Are you in favor of fuel cells or not?

Does it matter?

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Yeah, I was wondering if 24 was for or against. I couldn't tell if 24 was ridiculing the fuel cells or President Bush or both.

However, I will answer your question anyway. I was ridiculing the current system that is designed against the promotion of alternative fuels such as hydrogen.

I do not think our government or the private sector will do enough to promote the mass marketing of fuel cell cars run on hydrogen by 15 years from now. Most people are still stuck in the petroleum mindset.

I do think promoting and supporting alternative fuels is a commendable undertaking. In that respect, I appreciate that Bush is making some kind of effort.

However, I was joking a little at Bush with the linked picture. Is that okay with you?

Yeah, because it's cheaper.
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Dwayne
May 26 2005, 09:18 AM
24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 08:15 AM
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Are you in favor of fuel cells or not?

Does it matter?

Quote:
 
Yeah, I was wondering if 24 was for or against. I couldn't tell if 24 was ridiculing the fuel cells or President Bush or both.

However, I will answer your question anyway. I was ridiculing the current system that is designed against the promotion of alternative fuels such as hydrogen.

I do not think our government or the private sector will do enough to promote the mass marketing of fuel cell cars run on hydrogen by 15 years from now. Most people are still stuck in the petroleum mindset.

I do think promoting and supporting alternative fuels is a commendable undertaking. In that respect, I appreciate that Bush is making some kind of effort.

However, I was joking a little at Bush with the linked picture. Is that okay with you?

Yeah, because it's cheaper.

That it is Dwayne, that it is. :lol: :P
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Dr. Noah
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Wow. I am really surprised that Bush is really behind this, if he is being sincere.

Now only if Reagan was so forward thinking, as Jimmy Carter suggested alternative fuel and reducing our reliance on foreign oil over 25 years ago.

I would also suggest a gas tax, perhaps it will encourage people to buy more fuel economy vehicles and reduce our consumption while we put money into alternative fuels.
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Fesarius
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Noah,

The phrase "Forward thinking" is emotionally-charged, and is frought with assumptions.
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Dr. Noah
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But it is an accurate descriptive term. To be forward thinking is literally to be thinking ahead. Eventually, petroleum will not be a feasible fuel. To look for alternatives is to think ahead.
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Dr. Noah
May 26 2005, 06:51 AM
Wow. I am really surprised that Bush is really behind this, if he is being sincere.

President Bush has commented a number of times in speeches that he is supportive of developing fuel cell vehicles. I will concede, though, that it is ironic that one so closely associated with the oil industry should be so much in favor of dealing that industry a blow from which it might never recover...
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Dr. Noah
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That's what I meant. But I could never match your eloquence Swidden. ;)
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Dwayne
May 26 2005, 01:17 PM
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May 26 2005, 08:01 AM
ds9074
May 26 2005, 06:51 AM
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But with the cost of hydrogen double that of premium gasoline, even the president acknowledged that seeing today's children take their driver's tests in pollution-free cars is a long-term goal.

Why not put taxes on petrol to increase its cost and by doing so make hydrogen and other alternatives more economically viable and at the same time increase incentives to conserve energy and use more efficient cars?

Over night demand for inefficient cars would be down and demand for already avaliable alternatives such as LPG and hybrids would be up.

Any revenue generated could be ring fenced for renewable energy development with the goal that eventually the renewables will become self funding and the income from taxing petrol will fall to zero.

Alternatively if you worry that an extra tax will harm economic growth then why not 'switch' some of the tax burden onto fuel instead of adding a new tax. Government increases tax on petrol but cuts income tax by a corrisponding amount for example.

Wow, it's that simple!?!?

Yes, it is style of doing things typical with a tax and regulate, socialistic mindset.

Actually its not. It a mindset of instead of imposing regulations we move to using economic instruments to encourage to market to fulfil the desired policy outcomes.

So the desired outcome is that we reduce our dependency on oil and cut greenhouse gas emissions. On approach would be to pass laws restricting the emissions from cars and banning cars with "too high" a fuel consumption.

Another approach is to use taxation to provide economic incentives for people to make choices that facilitate the desired outcome.

I'd also like to know if you have any real argument against what I said other than insinuating thats its too simplistic.
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Swidden
May 26 2005, 11:13 AM
Dr. Noah
May 26 2005, 06:51 AM
Wow.  I am really surprised that Bush is really behind this, if he is being sincere.

President Bush has commented a number of times in speeches that he is supportive of developing fuel cell vehicles. I will concede, though, that it is ironic that one so closely associated with the oil industry should be so much in favor of dealing that industry a blow from which it might never recover...

I could provide you with a conspiracy theory on that if you like. :D
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Dr. Noah
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I would! :D
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24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 07:15 AM
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Are you in favor of fuel cells or not?

Does it matter?

Quote:
 
Yeah, I was wondering if 24 was for or against. I couldn't tell if 24 was ridiculing the fuel cells or President Bush or both.

However, I will answer your question anyway. I was ridiculing the current system that is designed against the promotion of alternative fuels such as hydrogen.

I do not think our government or the private sector will do enough to promote the mass marketing of fuel cell cars run on hydrogen by 15 years from now. Most people are still stuck in the petroleum mindset.

I do think promoting and supporting alternative fuels is a commendable undertaking. In that respect, I appreciate that Bush is making some kind of effort.

However, I was joking a little at Bush with the linked picture. Is that okay with you?

Does it matter if you are in favor of fuel cells or not? I was just asking, but I guess it doesn't matter.

Is it okay with me that you were making a joke a Bush's expense? I don't give an at's rass. Have I ever said anything to lead you to believe otherwize. I was just trying to understand your position. Apparently you posted all this in order to make a joke rather than take a position on an issue. Try the Kickback Forum
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May 26 2005, 01:02 PM
24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 07:15 AM
Quote:
 
Are you in favor of fuel cells or not?

Does it matter?

Quote:
 
Yeah, I was wondering if 24 was for or against. I couldn't tell if 24 was ridiculing the fuel cells or President Bush or both.

However, I will answer your question anyway. I was ridiculing the current system that is designed against the promotion of alternative fuels such as hydrogen.

I do not think our government or the private sector will do enough to promote the mass marketing of fuel cell cars run on hydrogen by 15 years from now. Most people are still stuck in the petroleum mindset.

I do think promoting and supporting alternative fuels is a commendable undertaking. In that respect, I appreciate that Bush is making some kind of effort.

However, I was joking a little at Bush with the linked picture. Is that okay with you?

Does it matter if you are in favor of fuel cells or not? I was just asking, but I guess it doesn't matter.

Is it okay with me that you were making a joke a Bush's expense? I don't give an at's rass. Have I ever said anything to lead you to believe otherwize. I was just trying to understand your position. Apparently you posted all this in order to make a joke rather than take a position on an issue. Try the Kickback Forum

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Apparently you posted all this in order to make a joke rather than take a position on an issue.  Try the Kickback Forum

Apparently you are wrong.

Only one part of my post was humorous. My second and immediate reply on this thread was not.

People post threads all the time in this manner (an article with a comment or two). I even went a step further and posted a second serious reply.

Why the hostility towards me?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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May 26 2005, 06:31 AM
I'm in favor of them and hopefully this is a sign of greater government involvement in the future.

Greater government involvement? A shiver just ran up my spine...
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dr. Noah
May 26 2005, 07:51 AM
Wow.  I am really surprised that Bush is really behind this, if he is being sincere. 


Why are you surprised? Bush has been talking about this since 2002, as I remember. Why would he not be sincere?

By the way, Reagan WAS forward thinking. Remember that little "end of communism" thing?
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Admiralbill_gomec
May 26 2005, 12:56 PM
gvok
May 26 2005, 06:31 AM
I'm in favor of them and hopefully this is a sign of greater government involvement in the future.

Greater government involvement? A shiver just ran up my spine...

Like it or not, it's going to take some encouragement by the government to make this a reality or at least to speed the process. By government involvement I meant tax policy and research funding.
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