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I listened to Air America today
Topic Started: May 25 2005, 01:11 PM (1,196 Views)
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Dr. Noah
May 27 2005, 09:04 AM
That's because science is based on careful experimentation, not faith.

This is part of the belief or faith system in the scientific method.
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I am both religious and scientific. I don't see how the two must be mutually exclusive. My point was that scientist must be on guard against becoming too attached to their beliefs of how science ought to be and keep their objectivity, a trait that is not common is scientists.
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Dr. Noah
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I am both scientific and religious as well. I think I finally understand what you're saying 38. Sorry, sometimes, I am a bit thickheaded as you and no doubt other have noticed.

Scientists should not deal in absolutes I agree. Sceintists should always qualify theory with "as far as we know" because the information they can present as fact is based on a relatively limited amount of experimentation when compared to all possibilities.
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May 27 2005, 12:01 PM
Dr. Noah
May 27 2005, 08:41 AM
I must reject the notion that people somehow worship science.  Can't someone be both religious and scientific?

I do not think someone can be both religious and entirely scientific. If your beliefs are determined by the scientific model then there is no place for religion.

Well it is true that if you believe some of the assumptions of the scientific model, you would be hard pressed to be religious, e.g., everything is material and nothing more. But I do think that you can believe in both science and religion. Natural laws, for example, can be seen as a process that God set in motion to give order to the world. God can be seen to be working via things supernatural such as miracles but also through science such as sending us to the right doctor, and so forth. Have you ever looked at the sprawl of the milky way against the dark night sky and felt a profound sense of the Divine? Through science, God can take us to those distant stars that inspire us with such hope and longing and whisper to us of His Goodness and Magnificence. He can, through science, reveal His creation to us and so use it to draw us closer to Him. It is easy to be embrace both religion and science.
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Dr. Noah
May 27 2005, 11:13 AM
Scientists should not deal in absolutes I agree.

I deal with science for a living and everytime I have made an assumption like you are refering to, it has bitten me in the butt.
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It's silly to think that someone can't be scientific and religious.
I would suggest that we use science to better understand the universe in which God has placed us.
In fact, understanding His Creation to the best of our ability brings us closer to Him.
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UncleSlickhead
May 27 2005, 11:28 AM
It's silly to think that someone can't be scientific and religious.
I would suggest that we use science to better understand the universe in which God has placed us.
In fact, understanding His Creation to the best of our ability brings us closer to Him.

The precise teaching of the Holy Roman Catholic Church.
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Fesarius
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I was curious if someone was going to chime in with that. I thought it best to leave it up to the experts. :)
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WayneSTOSfan
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As someone who makes a living in Science...I will say this

Science deals with what is measure-able..the tangible..what can be seen...

Religion essentially says that which can be seen is un-important....So of course they don't get along,,

But I find it completely logical that PEOPLE can believe in both..as two sides to the same coin......just don't tell anyone from either camp that..........
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Dr. Noah
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Well said Wayne. Thanks. :yes:
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Religion essentially says that which can be seen is un-important....So of course they don't get along,,

Wayne,

I might change this to read 'Religion essentially says that that which cannot be seen is important.' But that's just my view. :)
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It depends on what religion you are talking about. Some value the material world, some expressly deny it's value.
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Gvok,

An important distinction. Thanks. From my perspective (religion), I would never have thought of that.
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UncleSlickhead
May 27 2005, 12:28 PM
It's silly to think that someone can't be scientific and religious.
I would suggest that we use science to better understand the universe in which God has placed us.
In fact, understanding His Creation to the best of our ability brings us closer to Him.

As long as we don't start playing God. That's why I'm so against human genetic engineering. I don't wan't us to create some type of super-human species that we can't control, i.e. Khan. Don't kid yourself, it is a very real possiblitity with what we could do now.
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psyfi
May 27 2005, 12:24 PM
who,May 27 2005
12:01 PM
Dr. Noah,May 27 2005
08:41 AM
I must reject the notion that Natural laws, for example, can be seen as a process that God set in motion to give order to the world. God can be seen to be working via things supernatural such as miracles but also through science such as sending us to the right doctor, and so forth. Have you ever looked at the sprawl of the milky way against the dark night sky and felt a profound sense of the Divine? Through science, God can take us to those distant stars that inspire us with such hope and longing and whisper to us of His Goodness and Magnificence. He can, through science, reveal His creation to us and so use it to draw us closer to Him. It is easy to be embrace both religion and science.

That's what I was saying in a thread about evolution. God is the process behind evolution. He created everything, and has been 'tweaking' with his design over the course of world history. We have no idea how long a day is to God. A day to God could be a million years to humans.
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