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| Fesarius | May 26 2005, 04:48 PM Post #76 |
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^^^ Yes, it sounds similar. What is the scientific equivalent of having faith? Reason? Just asking if anyone has ever thought of that before. |
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| psyfi | May 26 2005, 04:59 PM Post #77 |
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And that is exactly the point I was making. The primary difference between religion and science is that religion doesn't kid itself that faith is part and parcel of the deal. When you have a bunch of mathematicians sitting around and coming up with a theory that explains every single thing in existence, a theory which makes a whole lot of sense, so much so that it is increasingly being accepted by physicists but it can't be tested, you are talking faith. In fact, when you think about it, the very idea that mathematics is somehow an accurate description of reality takes an astounding leap of faith to believe. Anyway, a key question is: Is this faith justified? Probably so, but faith it is. |
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| Hoss | May 26 2005, 05:57 PM Post #78 |
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You aren't disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Aristotle. Besides, a good scientists doesn't make assumptions, draw conclusions based on incomplete data or accept on faith some fact. |
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| who | May 26 2005, 09:20 PM Post #79 |
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I think I originally stated that science is a religion. This is one definition of "religion" from the dictionary: ": a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith" First, science is based on the belief (faith) that the underlying basis of the universe is matter/energy. The universe is independent of our minds and could exist without mind. It also is based on the belief that if something cannot be observed or measured then it does not exist (or at least is not important). Consciousness is explained as an epiphenomia of electrical activity in the brain. The mind, thought, emotions, perceptions cannot even be addressed by science. Gravity and light are sometimes described as particles, as waves, as matter, as energy, as force, or perhaps strings (whatever they are). Science cannot yet even explain what light or gravity are. In the view of science we are born into the world to pass on our genes and then die. That is that. Science leaves out a big part of reality that we know including our minds, thoughts, emotions, and perceptions as we experience them. Everything is just chemical-electrical activity in the brain. Another contrasting belief is that everything is thought in our mind. This includes all of our perceptions including all of science. Perhaps the best analogy is the world created by the machine in the movie "The Matrix". The difference is that our mind creates our interwoven worlds of perception rather than a machine. Science works because we believe it does. Since we believe it we can use it. One may scoff at this view of reality if one's faith in science as religion keeps one's mind closed to other possibilities. who |
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| who | May 26 2005, 09:30 PM Post #80 |
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It is not a matter of gravity existing (at least in time), it is that science cannot explain exactly what it is or what causes it. It has various models that it builds to try to explain or predict. It often explains it by something else that cannot be explained such as a force. If you think that Star Trek is science then please give a scientific explanation of how dilithium(?) works (we could use the energy) and also warp theory including how to build a stable warp field. |
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| Franko | May 26 2005, 10:13 PM Post #81 |
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It can't ??? Soooooo..... the space shuttle goes up into orbit and comes back based on .......... faith ? I understand your argument concerning science and religion, but let's not get too carried away. Without science you'd still be living in a cave wondering when it's safe to go to the water hole. |
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| Fesarius | May 26 2005, 10:16 PM Post #82 |
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Science rocks!
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| 8247 | May 26 2005, 10:26 PM Post #83 |
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If you read this thread backwards, you'd be shocked that it started off talking about Air America. :lol: |
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| CV6 Enterprise | May 26 2005, 10:27 PM Post #84 |
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I know, this has gotta be the mother of all tangents
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| 8247 | May 26 2005, 10:30 PM Post #85 |
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CV6...Have you ever listened to that hate fest? |
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| Franko | May 26 2005, 10:35 PM Post #86 |
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As usual, I often read these theads in reverse when coming in late. Hmmmm..... I sense "creationism" and Intel Design lurking in the tulips in this thread. And bashing my BABE Ann Coulter..... not coming back to this thread. (stomps out of thread clutching physics 101 textbook) |
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| 24thcenstfan | May 26 2005, 10:36 PM Post #87 |
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Yes, and no. The thread was about Air America, but Stem Cell research was a topic being discussed on the program. That snowballed into this scientific discussion. It seems to be a logical tangent (IMO). At least they aren’t talking about movies or something similar. :lol: Hopefully someone will come in and tie this conversation back in with Air America and Stem Cell Research.
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| 8247 | May 26 2005, 10:38 PM Post #88 |
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I didnt bash your babe... :lol: :lol: |
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| 24thcenstfan | May 26 2005, 10:40 PM Post #89 |
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^^But I did. |
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| 8247 | May 26 2005, 10:42 PM Post #90 |
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How dare you!!!!!!! 24-L C- 49 :lol: |
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