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I listened to Air America today
Topic Started: May 25 2005, 01:11 PM (1,202 Views)
24thcenstfan
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
Admiralbill_gomec
May 25 2005, 11:44 PM
24thcenstfan
May 25 2005, 05:33 PM
38957
May 25 2005, 05:41 PM
Dr. Noah
May 25 2005, 03:03 PM
People will eventually die from something, but without medical technology, we/they would die a lot sooner.  By increasing our knowledge of medical technology we can further extend the quantity and quality of life.

I wonder if that was Hitler's arguement for the research he had performed.

Why am I not surprised Hitler was brought into this conversation.

Oh well, everyone is entitled to an opinion (whatever that may be).


I personally do not equate stem-cell research to those kinds of experiments conducted by Josef Mengele and his ilk. I'm not saying you do (i.e. I am not putting words in your mouth, just stating my opinion on the subject).

Actually, 24, a great deal of medical scientific knowledge came from Nazi experiments in the death camps. For example, how the human body tolerates heat, vacuum, and especially cold came from human experimentation. Hypothermia charts used today came from cold water experiments, for example.

Disgusting, but true. Some of the reasoning at the time was to help German soldiers survive to fight in temperature extremes, like those found in the Soviet campaign.

I was mostly aware of that.

And I still think the type of experimentation we are talking about (stem-cell research) is nothing like that of what happened in the camps. Or the mentality behind each type of experimentation.

I do realize that some people may equate the two. <Insert debate on what constitutes life, the sanctity of life and experimentation on anything from a human being or a human being.>
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May 25 2005, 06:00 PM
So, if stem cell research is their god, then SUV's must be their devil....No, President Bush is their devil....No, GWB would be their antichrist if stem cell research is their god. Who would their devil be? Neal Boortz maybe?

Their gods and their antichrists change with every stirring of the political winds. But their devil shall always be Ann Coulter. :P
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Hoss
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psyfi
May 26 2005, 12:54 AM
8247
May 25 2005, 06:00 PM
So, if stem cell research is their god, then SUV's must be their devil....No, President Bush is their devil....No, GWB would be their antichrist if stem cell research is their god. Who would their devil be? Neal Boortz maybe?

Their gods and their antichrists change with every stirring of the political winds. But their devil shall always be Ann Coulter. :P

From reading on Sistertrek, which is the only place that I ever turn for any knowledge, I assumed that Rush had a much higher place in the hierarchy of evil.
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24thcenstfan
May 25 2005, 05:33 PM
38957
May 25 2005, 05:41 PM
Dr. Noah
May 25 2005, 03:03 PM
People will eventually die from something, but without medical technology, we/they would die a lot sooner.  By increasing our knowledge of medical technology we can further extend the quantity and quality of life.

I wonder if that was Hitler's arguement for the research he had performed.

Why am I not surprised Hitler was brought into this conversation.

Oh well, everyone is entitled to an opinion (whatever that may be).


I personally do not equate stem-cell research to those kinds of experiments conducted by Josef Mengele and his ilk. I'm not saying you do (i.e. I am not putting words in your mouth, just stating my opinion on the subject).

Yes, everyone in entitled to their opinion. This is why I really don't like to talk about this subject, because I have absolutely no respect for the opposing opinion in these matters. Performing medical experiments on human embryos is performing medical experiments on humans.

Why not just grow embryos, lobotomize them in the uterous, raise them on life support machines until adulthood and harvest their organs? It would allow so many people to live a few years longer.

I also have no respect for the opinion of those who say that adult-child sexual relationships are fine.

But, you want to talk war in Iraq, welfare, taxation, medicare, the environment, whatever, and I have respect for the opinion of the opposition as I don't really see it as totally B&W.
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What about the embryos used in fertility treatments? Is that as morally wrong in your opinion 38?
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gvok
May 26 2005, 06:33 AM
What about the embryos used in fertility treatments? Is that as morally wrong in your opinion 38?

Yes, if they waste a dozen embryos to get pregnant with one, yes. And that is often what they do.
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We can have this discussion, but I have to tell you, I am an extremist in this matter as I feel that it is about human rights, it will get personnal and emotional, and as I said, I have absolutely no respect for the opposing view.

Perhaps, we should talk about the deficit instead.
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psyfi
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May 26 2005, 07:16 AM
psyfi
May 26 2005, 12:54 AM
8247
May 25 2005, 06:00 PM
So, if stem cell research is their god, then SUV's must be their devil....No, President Bush is their devil....No, GWB would be their antichrist if stem cell research is their god. Who would their devil be? Neal Boortz maybe?

Their gods and their antichrists change with every stirring of the political winds. But their devil shall always be Ann Coulter. :P

From reading on Sistertrek, which is the only place that I ever turn for any knowledge, I assumed that Rush had a much higher place in the hierarchy of evil.

Rush is only a major figure in the pantheon of demons. Coulter is the devil. I base this opinion on my visits to forums where people love Air America and consider Franken's views gospel.

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psyfi
May 26 2005, 06:57 AM
38957
May 26 2005, 07:16 AM
psyfi
May 26 2005, 12:54 AM
8247
May 25 2005, 06:00 PM
So, if stem cell research is their god, then SUV's must be their devil....No, President Bush is their devil....No, GWB would be their antichrist if stem cell research is their god. Who would their devil be? Neal Boortz maybe?

Their gods and their antichrists change with every stirring of the political winds. But their devil shall always be Ann Coulter. :P

From reading on Sistertrek, which is the only place that I ever turn for any knowledge, I assumed that Rush had a much higher place in the hierarchy of evil.

Rush is only a major figure in the pantheon of demons. Coulter is the devil. I base this opinion on my visits to forums where people love Air America and consider Franken's views gospel.

Ya know who would be good to debate Al Franken? Ben Stein. I would love to see a Franken-Stein debate.
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psyfi
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May 26 2005, 07:59 AM
psyfi
May 26 2005, 06:57 AM
38957
May 26 2005, 07:16 AM
psyfi
May 26 2005, 12:54 AM
8247
May 25 2005, 06:00 PM
So, if stem cell research is their god, then SUV's must be their devil....No, President Bush is their devil....No, GWB would be their antichrist if stem cell research is their god. Who would their devil be? Neal Boortz maybe?

Their gods and their antichrists change with every stirring of the political winds. But their devil shall always be Ann Coulter. :P

From reading on Sistertrek, which is the only place that I ever turn for any knowledge, I assumed that Rush had a much higher place in the hierarchy of evil.

Rush is only a major figure in the pantheon of demons. Coulter is the devil. I base this opinion on my visits to forums where people love Air America and consider Franken's views gospel.

Ya know who would be good to debate Al Franken? Ben Stein. I would love to see a Franken-Stein debate.

What a great idea! I would love to see that debate!
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Hoss
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It could be moderated by Algore.
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^^^
:loling:

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I am an extremist in this matter.

Correct. Almost as extreme as I am. :)
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Fesarius
May 26 2005, 07:08 AM
^^^
:loling:

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I am an extremist in this matter.

Correct. Almost as extreme as I am. :)

I hope that you are not more extreme than me on this matter. I can think of a few that are and some of them are in prison.
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I was speaking of the value of 'life'--I should have made that clear.
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psyfi
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May 26 2005, 08:02 AM
It could be moderated by Algore.

I am having trouble posting a response, possibly as a punishment from above for being so dull as to have just got the Franken-Stein joke.
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