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Syria halts cooperation; does anyone wonder why?
Topic Started: May 25 2005, 09:00 AM (249 Views)
Dwayne
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Syrian envoy: Rebuffs by U.S. halt cooperation

Associated Press
Published May 25, 2005

DAMASCUS, Syria -- Security and military cooperation with the U.S. has been halted by Syria in recent months, Syria's ambassador said Tuesday, blaming Washington's failure to respond to repeated overtures from Damascus.

"There has been no cooperation between Syria and the United States on security and military matters simply because all attempts of cooperation between us and them have not led to a political result," Imad Mustafa said in a phone interview from Washington.

He said Syria has not cooperated with the United States "for months."

"The United States will not be satisfied with Syria unless Syria follows a policy that suits the American political orientation and Israeli interests," Mustafa said.

He said the United States wants to "redraw the political map of the region in a way that suits American and Israeli interests."

The United States accuses Syria of facilitating the Iraqi insurgency, claiming the nation is not doing enough to stop the flow of foreign fighters and funds across its borders.

Syria denies the accusations.

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Al-Zarqawi has Fled Iraq - Report

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An Islamic website statement claimed today that Abu-Musab al-Zarqawi, al Qaida in Iraq chief, has fled to an unidentified “neighbouring country” with two Arab doctors treating him for gunshot wounds to his lung.

There was no way to verify the authenticity of the claim. The site used to carry al Qaida postings, but has fallen out of use recently. Soon, the posting appeared on another militant site, where it quickly came under attack from other posters as untrue and unauthorised by al Qaida.

The statement from somebody identified only as al-Khalidi – the same name as a regular poster for the site in the past – said the information was based on accounts of “brothers close to the holy warriors in Iraq and who are in contact with them.” He did not elaborate.

Mideast security officials told The Associated Press in the Jordanian capital Amman they could not verify the authenticity of the posting or veracity of its contents.

On Tuesday, a web statement in the name of al-Zarqawi’s group, al Qaida in Iraq, said the terrorist mastermind has been wounded. But US officials cautioned they did not know if the posting was authentic, and privately said the information also may have been designed to purposefully mislead.

Today’s statement said al-Zarqawi “was secretly smuggled to a neighbouring country a few days ago in a complicated and organised operation.” It did not identify the country.

It said al-Zarqawi was in “stable condition now” after he incurred a “bullet wound which penetrated his right lung.”

Al-Zarqawi has claimed responsibility for attacks on Iraqi civilians and security forces and kidnappings and beheadings of foreigners, and has a £13.7 million bounty on his head.

Meanwhile it has been reported today that Iraqi security forces have killed a senior al-Zarqawi aide in northern Iraq, the government said.

Sabhan Ahmad Ramadan was killed as he was manning a checkpoint in the northern province of Nineveh, a government announcement said.

It added that Ramadan, also known as Agha Abu Saad, was a leading aide to Abu Talha – the head of operations in Mosul for al-Zarqawi and his al Qaida in Iraq terror group. No further details on the man or how he was killed were provided.
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Dwayne
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Given the location of the Sunni Triangle where Zarqawi was operating from and the nation most closely associated with supporting terrorists operating out of the Sunni Triangle, it's a good guess to say that Zarqawi is now in Syria seeking medical treatment. And it is my guess that Zarqawi gave the Syrians an ultimatum, either halt all cooperation with America or face an insurgent Jihad from al Qaeda.
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Dwayne
May 25 2005, 09:05 AM
Given the location of the Sunni Triangle where Zarqawi was operating from and the nation most closely associated with supporting terrorists operating out of the Sunni Triangle, it's a good guess to say that Zarqawi is now in Syria seeking medical treatment. And it is my guess that Zarqawi gave the Syrians an ultimatum, either halt all cooperation with America or face an insurgent Jihad from al Qaeda.

IF Syrian doctors are treating him, wouldn't that be a rather stupid thing for him to say to the Syrians? Oops, accidentally left a sponge in that left lung!
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May 25 2005, 09:13 AM
Dwayne
May 25 2005, 09:05 AM
Given the location of the Sunni Triangle where Zarqawi was operating from and the nation most closely associated with supporting terrorists operating out of the Sunni Triangle, it's a good guess to say that Zarqawi is now in Syria seeking medical treatment.  And it is my guess that Zarqawi gave the Syrians an ultimatum, either halt all cooperation with America or face an insurgent Jihad from al Qaeda.

IF Syrian doctors are treating him, wouldn't that be a rather stupid thing for him to say to the Syrians? Oops, accidentally left a sponge in that left lung!

It would only be stupid if he couldn't actually carry out the threat.
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Zarqawi 'injury' attracts prayers

Messages of support for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi have appeared on militant websites following a report that he has been injured.

The report came in a web posting on Tuesday and remains unverified.

Since then, bulletin boards have posted dozens of messages offering prayers for Zarqawi, who has been blamed for some of Iraq's bloodiest insurgent attacks.

It has been suggested the report is a manoeuvre designed either to foil pursuers or garner sympathy.

The fresh postings came as US-led forces launched another sweep for Zarqawi supporters in north-western Iraq.

The sweep has centred on Haditha, in the Anbar province which has been a centre of insurgent activity.

Some reports suggested that two key members of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the name used by Zarqawi's organisation, had been captured by US and Iraqi government forces.

Request for prayers

Jordanian-born Zarqawi has claimed scores of attacks against civilians and the security forces, as well as the kidnapping and beheading of foreigners.

He is the most wanted suspect in Iraq and has a US bounty of $25m on his head.

Unconfirmed reports have claimed that the one-legged Zarqawi might have been injured, possibly during a sweep of the Iraq-Syria border by US marines a few weeks ago.

In an interview with the Washington Post, a man claiming to be Zarqawi's lieutenant in the western city of Ramadi said his leader had been shot between his shoulder and chest during fighting at the weekend.

Abu Karrar said key members of Zarqawi's group were working with him to choose his successor from four candidates, three Arabs and an Iraqi.

The initial report that Zarqawi had been hurt, in a message signed by Al-Qaeda in Iraq and posted on a well-known Islamist site, failed to specify whether any injury was the result of combat.

It asked for Muslims to pray for his recovery, and said the injury was a reason to increase attacks on "the enemies of God".

'Chest wound'

One response on another website suggested he had been smuggled out to a neighbouring country for treatment to gunshot wounds to the chest.

It rapidly attracted postings claiming it was fraudulent.

Meanwhile, Zarqawi well-wishers continued to offer support.

"Forgive and heal our sheikh, the mujahid Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," read one message on the site which had carried Tuesday's announcement.

"O Lord, make his wound the atoning sacrifice for all misdeeds... Heal his wound and make him victorious over his enemies."

Another asked God to protect him from harm.

"The destiny of the mujahidin is either victory or martyrdom," it read.

"O Lord bless him with one of them."

In Iraq, a text message was circulating on mobile phones celebrating the injury and congratulating whoever had inflicted it.
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Dwayne
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Unconfirmed reports have claimed that the one-legged Zarqawi might have been injured, possibly during a sweep of the Iraq-Syria border by US marines a few weeks ago.

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One response on another website suggested he had been smuggled out to a neighbouring country for treatment to gunshot wounds to the chest.

It rapidly attracted postings claiming it was fraudulent.

I'm betting that the prior two statements are the truth, and the latter is an attempt to deflect the truth.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Does he have a parrot on his shoulder, too? That might make him easier to track... Arrrrrrr!

Seriously, I wouldn't doubt he was smuggled into Syria one bit.
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I can't believe people actually refer to Zarqawi as a 'mujahidin.' Last time I checked, that meant freedom fighter.

Whose freedom is he fighting for? His own and other like-minded nutjobs. Certainly not the freedom of the Iraqi people at large.

To the main topic...

I think Syria halting cooperation is a combination of the hard-liners in their gov't being unwilling to negotiate in good spirit with the US (just to be contrary), and some who are actually doing what they can to obstruct peace (aid the chaos/terrorists).

I am not going to totally rule out stubbornness from the US either.


Edit: See my reply to Gvok regarding my correction of the use of the term "mujahidin."
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I thought it meant holy warrior.
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gvok
May 25 2005, 05:30 PM
I thought it meant holy warrior.

I checked and you are correct in that translation. I was confusing what terrorists often claim “their purpose is” (freedom fighting) with the literal translation (which is “holy warrior”).
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Dwayne
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May 25 2005, 05:54 PM
gvok
May 25 2005, 05:30 PM
I thought it meant holy warrior.

I checked and you are correct in that translation. I was confusing what terrorists often claim “their purpose is” (freedom fighting) with the literal translation (which is “holy warrior”).

It's all part of how they seek to distort the truth, so people aren't sure what to believe. They've created this upside down reality where they argue that a woman under a burka is free and Jihadist want to live in peace, and sadly some people in thw west actually believe it.
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Dwayne
May 26 2005, 01:12 AM
24thcenstfan
May 25 2005, 05:54 PM
gvok
May 25 2005, 05:30 PM
I thought it meant holy warrior.

I checked and you are correct in that translation. I was confusing what terrorists often claim “their purpose is” (freedom fighting) with the literal translation (which is “holy warrior”).

It's all part of how they seek to distort the truth, so people aren't sure what to believe. They've created this upside down reality where they argue that a woman under a burka is free and Jihadist want to live in peace, and sadly some people in thw west actually believe it.

I agree. I would have to add though that if a woman chooses to wear a Burka (no pressure or fear that she will be killed, stoned, or ostracized, etc.), then that would be her prerogative.
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Dwayne
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24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 08:45 AM
Dwayne
May 26 2005, 01:12 AM
24thcenstfan
May 25 2005, 05:54 PM
gvok
May 25 2005, 05:30 PM
I thought it meant holy warrior.

I checked and you are correct in that translation. I was confusing what terrorists often claim “their purpose is” (freedom fighting) with the literal translation (which is “holy warrior”).

It's all part of how they seek to distort the truth, so people aren't sure what to believe. They've created this upside down reality where they argue that a woman under a burka is free and Jihadist want to live in peace, and sadly some people in thw west actually believe it.

I agree. I would have to add though that if a woman chooses to wear a Burka (no pressure or fear that she will be killed, stoned, or ostracized, etc.), then that would be her prerogative.

But the simple fact that women in Middle Eastern societies often do face harsh treatment and even death for not wearing the burka, necessitates one critically analyze the words of any Middle Eastern women who says she wears one freely.
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Dwayne
May 26 2005, 09:59 AM
24thcenstfan
May 26 2005, 08:45 AM
Dwayne
May 26 2005, 01:12 AM
24thcenstfan
May 25 2005, 05:54 PM
gvok
May 25 2005, 05:30 PM
I thought it meant holy warrior.

I checked and you are correct in that translation. I was confusing what terrorists often claim “their purpose is” (freedom fighting) with the literal translation (which is “holy warrior”).

It's all part of how they seek to distort the truth, so people aren't sure what to believe. They've created this upside down reality where they argue that a woman under a burka is free and Jihadist want to live in peace, and sadly some people in thw west actually believe it.

I agree. I would have to add though that if a woman chooses to wear a Burka (no pressure or fear that she will be killed, stoned, or ostracized, etc.), then that would be her prerogative.

But the simple fact that women in Middle Eastern societies often do face harsh treatment and even death for not wearing the burka, necessitates one critically analyze the words of any Middle Eastern women who says she wears one freely.

Again I agree. I don't think the Middle Eastern society/culture is anywhere (in terms of equal rights) that would convince me that a woman actually freely chooses to wear a burka.

However, if down the road and much reform later a woman were to decide to wear one (with all appearances of societal and familial pressure to wear one absent from her choice), then I would not have a problem believing the choice was a choice made freely.

I guess that would apply right now for any woman elsewhere in the world who are not being pressured by culture, society, family (whoever) to wear the burka.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't have a problem with a woman choosing to wear a burka ... but I do have a problem with a society that forces a woman to wear one and then calls that freedom.
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