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Down and out with Iraqi forces
Topic Started: May 24 2005, 07:48 AM (430 Views)
Fesarius
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Dwayne,

With a topic as serious as politics, I will use appropriate salutations when responding to specific posters. But looking back, I can see how you might have thought I was responding to you. :)
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Wichita
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May 27 2005, 11:08 AM
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Wichita, you have elegantly laid out why I some times have such anger and contempt for people on the left.

"anything's OK until an American dies" pretty much sums up the leftist mindset when comparing Bosnia and Iraq, but I would venture to guess that their mindset is baser than that. Their true mindset most likely is "anything's OK as long as a democrat is president".

I disagree that it is a "left vs. right" issue. I think it's more a question of consistency and individual bias.

There are a lot of people who opposed both the Bosnia action and Iraq because they didn't have the blessing of the UN or because they oppose war in general. I may not agree with them, but I admire the consistency of their beliefs.

Conversely, people supported both actions because of disdain for the UN or because of their belief that the action was justified. Again, I don't have to agree, but I should respect the consistency.

There are people who support military action for humanitarian reasons. Somalia was one ... Rwanda could have been another ... Sudan quite probably should be one as well. Those countries haven't attacked the US and probably never will, but there is an identifiable humanitarian crisis in each. The UN has been noticably absent to respond.

Some people believe that "not one American life" is worth the intervention. Again, if they consistently hold to that belief, then I respect it regardless if I agree with it.

I do think though that, if American "might" is going to be deployed, it should be with the understanding that it may cost American lives. I'm not saying that lives should be risked needlessly - I'm actually saying the opposite.

I NEVER want to see an incident like "Blackhawk Down" again where US servicemen are left on their own without the back-up they request. If it was worth doing at all, it was worth doing completely.



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Dwayne
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Well, I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree on this point ... I do think it is a left/right issue. But I only think it is such as issue in so far as the left oppose the action because it is a republican president .. they are inconsistent.

So I guess we really don't disagree entirely, but only in that I believe they do what they do only for political reason.
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If American lives are going to be lost in a conflict of choice, then it better be worth it. I am not convinced that Iraq was worth it. What's more, I am not convinced that the Bush Administration's decision to invade Iraq won't make things worse for the region and for the ultimate security of the US.

P.S. - The new topic buttons are not appearing for me. Can something be done about that?
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gvok
May 27 2005, 02:53 PM
P.S. - The new topic buttons are not appearing for me. Can something be done about that?

Are they not appearing at all or taking a long time to appear?

Mine have been slow all week. I've given up on waiting to see the icons that indicate if a thread's been replied to - it's quicker to look at the thread itself.
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gvok
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I have no "post new topic" buttons at all.
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^^^ I'll contact Dandandat and see if he can help.

Unfortunately it usually takes him a few days to get back to me these days and the weekend is upon us. :sorry:
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gvok
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Thanks.
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Dwayne
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May 27 2005, 09:53 AM
If American lives are going to be lost in a conflict of choice, then it better be worth it.  I am not convinced that Iraq was worth it.  What's more, I am not convinced that the Bush Administration's decision to invade Iraq won't make things worse for the region and for the ultimate security of the US.

P.S. - The new topic buttons are not appearing for me.  Can something be done about that?

As was stated in this thread I started...
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It [International Institute for Strategic Studies] pointed to progress in the Arab-Israeli conflict, the promise of multi-party elections in Egypt and popular uprisings against Syria in Lebanon as examples of U.S. policy successes.


And it MUST be noted that this is the same IISS that claimed about 6 months ago or so, that US policies were responsable for al Qaeda recruiting 20 thousand more terrorists.
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