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| gvok | May 26 2005, 01:03 PM Post #16 |
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Fortunately our presence in Bosia has not consumed the same amount of resources and manpower. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 26 2005, 01:12 PM Post #17 |
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What's the casualty list for Bosnia so far? |
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| Fesarius | May 26 2005, 02:34 PM Post #18 |
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Casualties are expected during wartime.
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| Dr. Noah | May 26 2005, 03:25 PM Post #19 |
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True, but I thought we were making a comparison between the two long term campaigns. |
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| Dwayne | May 26 2005, 03:58 PM Post #20 |
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That's quite a poor analogy, because as far as I know, no Asian terror groups have attacked the United States by destroying multi-million dollar buildings and killing thousands of lives. Nor are there any Asian terror groups who have a defining goal of propping up China as ruler of the world. |
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| Fesarius | May 26 2005, 04:34 PM Post #21 |
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Noah, True enough (about the comparisons). Sorry about that.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 26 2005, 04:44 PM Post #22 |
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Nor did any Serbo-Croatian terror groups destroyed multi-billion dollar buildings in the UNited States and kill 3000 people. |
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| gvok | May 26 2005, 07:41 PM Post #23 |
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Neither did Iraq. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 26 2005, 10:02 PM Post #24 |
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Been here before we have, Yoda... |
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| Wichita | May 27 2005, 05:43 AM Post #25 |
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Now this is educational .... When we get to the point of actually comparing Bosnia and Iraq, you focused on two points as a point of comparision. You didn't express ANY concern over the fact that the former Yugoslavia NEVER attacked the United States nor did they EVER threaten to attack the United States. You didn't express ANY concern over the fact that the conflict in Bosnia itself NEVER threatened another country in Europe directly. (That conflict wasn't going outside the borders of that country. It could have destabilized situations in other neighboring countries, but that is also true of Iraq.) You didn't express ANY concern of the legitamacy or illegitamacy of the United States participation in the war - which did not have UN sanction. You didn't express ANY concern about the flawed intelligence that led Clinton to involve the United States military in the conflict in Bosnia. The US Secretary of State said as just one reason for going to war that over 100,000 people had already been killed in a geonocidal cleansing and more would die. Not only were his numbers only 1/3 of the numbers found in mass graves in Iraq SO FAR, they haven't proven to be true. You didn't mention the fact that Bosnia is still essentially at the cease-fire stage. Milosovic hasn't yet been tried. The area hasn't progressed to free elections and the concerns that led to the conflict are still in place - only now those people who agreed to the cease-fire are growing tired of waiting in limbo for what they were promised. Bosnia still could explode once again. Since we participated in the first conflict and we still have a presence in the area, we are already committed if it explodes again. No, your concern seems to be SOLELY the AMERICAN lives involved and the AMERICAN dollars spent. I disagree that ONLY American lives and American dollars count myself. If the United States feels the need to commit it's military resources to a conflict, then I find Clinton's policy of "anything's OK until an American dies" to be morally repugnant. We can wage a hell of a war long distance against just about anyone. If we insulate ourselves from paying the price (in casualties) then we will be tempted to use that "might" far more quickly and with far less justification. US military planes bombed the crap out of the area for days. I'm ashamed to say I don't know how many people died in those bombing raids, but they count too. They don't have to be American to be important to me. |
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| Dwayne | May 27 2005, 06:08 AM Post #26 |
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^^^ Wichita, you have elegantly laid out why I some times have such anger and contempt for people on the left. "anything's OK until an American dies" pretty much sums up the leftist mindset when comparing Bosnia and Iraq, but I would venture to guess that their mindset is baser than that. Their true mindset most likely is "anything's OK as long as a democrat is president". |
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| Fesarius | May 27 2005, 08:29 AM Post #27 |
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If everyone thought how leftists are frequently painted, I doubt we would ever win any war, and whether we would even be motivated to complete any military tasks. Perhaps if we were controlled by other countries, this mindset would be reconsidered more carefully. |
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| Dwayne | May 27 2005, 08:50 AM Post #28 |
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To me it seems you say "painted" as if I my impression of leftists was made from whole cloth. |
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| Fesarius | May 27 2005, 08:56 AM Post #29 |
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^^^ Dwayne, No, not at all. My post wasn't in response to you or to anyone in particular--it was just an observation. I chose the word 'painted' because to do otherwise (i.e., to pigeonhole) would convey much too general a statement about a particular segment of political ideology. This I am not willing to do for a variety of reasons. |
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| Dwayne | May 27 2005, 08:59 AM Post #30 |
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Fair enough |
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