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| Leaving the Left (from the SF Chronicle on 5/22); Interesting editorial on man's journey! | |
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| UncleSlickhead | May 23 2005, 07:26 PM Post #16 |
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A liberal paper? Does that mean there's more actual paper in the paper? Dwayne, are you saying it's a liberal paper because you've read it and can point to some evidence, or just because it's a Frisco paper? |
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| Dwayne | May 23 2005, 08:03 PM Post #17 |
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I'm not going to provide you with all the articles necessary to convince you, not because you would not be convince (even though I know you would be) but because I don't have the time. Read ChronWatch.com for more information on the SF Chronicle. |
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| Fesarius | May 23 2005, 08:14 PM Post #18 |
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Dwayne, Then make the time. Or face a first-class whoopin'.
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| Mainiac | May 23 2005, 08:18 PM Post #19 |
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:rolleyes: I know that Dwayne. I guess my point was too subtle. Allow me to elaborate. A liberal paper that wishes to arouse a vociferous response from it's liberal readership just might publish a left-bashing editorial... Get it yet? Or maybe they just want to alienate their subscribers and go out of business? You know how us lib's have no business sense.
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| ds9074 | May 23 2005, 08:34 PM Post #20 |
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It just shows you that a lot of leftists are not liberals, they are really socialists. This guy obviously is a liberal and has decided he needs to stand apart from the "equality of outcomes" crowd. He would probably find himself at home in the centre/centre left of UK politics. Blair is mainly on the left domestically but was obviously a strong supporter of the wars in Iraq and Afganistan. The Liberal Democrats agree with the Afghan war and while they were oppossed to going to war in Iraq they have strongly supported the efforts to build democracy in both places. Even within the Conservative party there is a stong liberal wing which occupies similar ground and has been powerful in opposing restrictions on civil liberties such as ID cards. Recently we have been hearing about the French vote on the new EU Constitution. The non vote is leading mainly because of opposition to what they see as the British influence in the Constitution. Instead of Frances "social model" it has a British "liberal model". Just goes to prove that to say leftist, liberal and socialist are interchangable terms is wrong. In fact I find it frustrating that many socialists have "stolen" the term liberal because they think it sounds better. |
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| Mainiac | May 23 2005, 09:08 PM Post #21 |
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A well thought and serious response, ds9074. And one unlikely to gain any traction from the reactionary right, who insist on lumping all those who oppose their political philosophies into a single group. Some people will never be able to see beyond black and white/us vs. them... Ever since the fall of the Soviet Union they have been casting about for enemies that they can unite public opinion against. As our own President said - "either you are with us, or against us..." (I'm paraphrasing here folks, calm down). While there are some obvious problems with multi-party democracies, our two-party system is showing serious signs of dysfunctionalism here in the US. Maybe three is the right number? (I suspect I'd find myself in the Liberal Democrat Party in GB.) |
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| ds9074 | May 23 2005, 09:44 PM Post #22 |
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Well I am in favour of a greater number of parties than two. I even think three is probably too small. A pleasing feature of UK politics in recent years has been the emergence of multiparty politics with a wider spectrum of voices that the tired old Labour/Conservative split. You have the Liberal Democrats and you also have parties like the Scottish Nationalists, the UK Independence Party (UKIP) and the Green Party comming foward with MPs, MEPs and Councillors. The trouble is that its very difficult under the first past the post (US/UK) electoral system for those parties. In US national politics it seems impossible, I'm guessing thats because the constituencies are much bigger. The Greens and UKIP together got around a million votes but not 1 seat because of the way the system works. I favour changing to a system of PR called AV+ or at least a system of PR called AMS as we already use for the Scottish Parliament. |
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| Hoss | May 24 2005, 07:37 AM Post #23 |
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signed, grandparoughhead |
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| Dwayne | May 24 2005, 08:19 AM Post #24 |
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In the United States the left and liberal are considered synonymous terms, but that's not the case in many European nations. |
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| UncleSlickhead | May 24 2005, 04:21 PM Post #25 |
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Clever, but not quite cutting enough. I have to admit that I always cry when someone calls me 'MotherPusBucket'. Try that next time. Now, Dwayne, I wasn't asking for a list of articles. I mean, I know full well that the SF Chronicle is what most call a 'liberal' paper. I just hoped that your claim wasn't rooted in some kind homophobic bigotry about the city.
'Liberal' and Democrat are also considered synonymous, but that isn't necessarily true. Republicans have done just as much in recent years to increase the size of government as any Democrat. |
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| Hoss | May 24 2005, 04:38 PM Post #26 |
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I wasn't calling you anyname, just being stupid. signed, cousincoarseface |
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| Dwayne | May 24 2005, 05:26 PM Post #27 |
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Arrgh! Hey, saying I'm homophobic is like saying a resident alien is anti-immigration. |
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| Minuet | May 24 2005, 05:34 PM Post #28 |
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Uncleslickhead, many things could be said about Dwayne and his conservative bent - but I guarantee that homophobic is not one of them
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| Wichita | May 24 2005, 05:40 PM Post #29 |
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That sentence is it's own reply ..
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| Minuet | May 24 2005, 05:43 PM Post #30 |
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^^^ If I may be so bold as to respond. I believe he was not refering to all on the right but a clearly definable group of people on the right who could be described as reactionary. I find a few of those on this board myself. I don't count you among them Wichita.
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