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| doctortobe | May 23 2005, 04:16 AM Post #16 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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Bull! The US tried practically everything to get the UN aboard. But the Security Council refused to get on board. Of course, given what is being revealed in the Oil for Bribes (er food) debacle, that cannot be suprising. I wonder if Iran or North Korea has that kind of influence in the UN? What about the warlords in Rwanda and Sudan? Can you buy off the UN if the price is right? |
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| Wichita | May 23 2005, 05:43 AM Post #17 |
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^^^ History has proven that the UN's price isn't particularly high .... unless you are a starving child who wants something to eat. Then sex with the "peacekeeper" is what they require or you won't eat. So far "zero" UN personnel have been disciplined (including those who are actual UN employees - not just troops from other countries) for their actions. What are they going to threaten the US with ... "we won't take the 1.2 billion we want to borrow from you at no interest for 30 years" unless you treat people the way we want you to treat them? Since the UN has proven that they are fine with the sexual exploitation of children and can't find it within themselves to call what's going in the Sudan "genocide", I shudder to think what they find is acceptable behavior ... :rolleyes: As for Karzai .... it's his country. He wants us out ... let's get out.
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| somerled | May 23 2005, 07:17 AM Post #18 |
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Yep - tried everything including lying . The sooner the veto powers that some nations have in the UN are abolished the sooner the UN will become more effective. I'll let others fight this one out with you , since there are some who will never forgive the UN ( or Germany , or France , or Russia ) for refusing to legitimise the invasion of Iraq. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 09:13 AM Post #19 |
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When one violates international law and the Geneva accords, one should expect the UN to call you on it. :rolleyes: |
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| who | May 23 2005, 09:50 AM Post #20 |
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Have light saber. Will travel.
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Where is the UN on all the murders by Radical Islam? Where are they on the genocide in Africa? It seems the only good I can recall recently from the UN is aid for natural disasters and much of that money was from the US. Exactly what are you a doctor of and why is this so important to you? Do you think it makes your opinions somehow more valid? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 09:52 AM Post #21 |
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It's important to me because in an incresingly interdependent world we must learn to work together rather than impose our will. The name is from an episode of DS9, don't you watch Star Trek? I never stated by opinion is more valid than anyone elses. Where did you get that idea? |
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| who | May 23 2005, 09:59 AM Post #22 |
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Have light saber. Will travel.
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When we are dealing with nations bribed with oil and money we must do what we think is right. Thanks for the info on where your handle comes from. I often find people use the title "Dr." to try to give more value to their opinions. |
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| psyfi | May 23 2005, 10:03 AM Post #23 |
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It is important, and I think it always has been, that people learn to work together. I don't think anybody would deny that. But the UN's way of "working together" is despicable. It isn't about teaching that lesson. It's a bunch of mostly corrupt people out for themselves and theirs. Why should we allow them to impose their will when they haven't learned the lesson that we all agree must be taught? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 10:15 AM Post #24 |
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I think people are forgetting that Americans were involved in the oil for food program scandal as well. Pot. Kettle. Black. |
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| who | May 23 2005, 10:22 AM Post #25 |
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Have light saber. Will travel.
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Who in the administration? |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 10:35 AM Post #26 |
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ThisisLondon - May 17, 2005 Bush 'turned blind eye to Iraq deals' By Patrick Sawer, Evening Standard 17 May 2005 George Galloway arrived in Washington today to rebuff accusations that he profited from Iraqi oil sales as a Senate investigation found that the US government turned a blind eye to millions of dollars of sanctions busting. The Bush administration knew about the illegal oil sales and kickbacks to Saddam Hussein's regime but did nothing about them, according to a report from Democrats on a Senate committee. The report found that US oil purchases accounted for 52 per cent of kickbacks paid to the regime in return for sales of cheap oil under the UN's food for oil programme - more than the rest of the world put together. The scale of the shipments is understood to dwarf those alleged to have been made by UN staff and European politicians such as Galloway and the former French minister Charles Pasqua. Mr Galloway, the newlyelected MP for Bethnal Green and Bow, has demanded an apology from the Senate subcommittee-which has named him as a beneficiary of Iraqi oil allocations. Mr Galloway, who overturned a 10,000 majority to win the seat for the anti-war Respect party, arrived in Washington yesterday and immediately demanded an apology from the subcommittee for what he called their "schoolboy dossier" against him. He said: "It was full of holes, full of falsehoods and full of value judgments that are apparently only shared here in Washington. [A polite way to say that this is only true in Bushianity's la-la land... -- law] "I have no expectation of justice. I come not as the accused but as the accuser. I am going to show just how absurd this report is." The new report accuses the Bush government of failing to take action against a Texas oil company which facilitated payments of "at least $37 million in illegal surcharges to the Hussein regime". It also states that the State Department and the US military agreed to the shipment of nearly eight million barrels of oil bought by Jordan outside the Oil For Food programme. It was not clear whether the Democrats' report would be accepted by the Republicans on the committee. The Pentagon declined to comment. |
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| 24thcenstfan | May 23 2005, 10:43 AM Post #27 |
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Good. We should be condemning ourselves just as vehemently when there is even a hint of abuse or wrong-doing. It is the right thing to do and it will keep all of those vultures somewhat at bay who pick at our every wrong (i.e. deflect any accusations of cover-up, hypocrisy or double standards on our part). I mean really, did we expect the UN, or anyone else for that matter, to say something like, “oh, that’s okay sweetie, a little abuse never hurt anyone. You keep doing what you are doing.” :rolleyes: |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | May 23 2005, 10:46 AM Post #28 |
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I see absolutely NOTHING from that article that does anything to prove that this administration (or the previous one) knew anything about illegal oil sales. Not one thing, unless the more paranoid among us are going to start with the old diatribe of "B-b-b-b-but Bush was in the oil business, and y'know Halliburton, and uh-uh-uh Dick Cheney in the undisclosed location..." |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 10:48 AM Post #29 |
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Except for this part: It also states that the State Department and the US military agreed to the shipment of nearly eight million barrels of oil bought by Jordan outside the Oil For Food programme. |
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| Dr. Noah | May 23 2005, 10:50 AM Post #30 |
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Then of course there's this: http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.audit/ Audit: U.S. lost track of $9 billion in Iraq funds Pentagon, Bremer dispute inspector general's report Monday, January 31, 2005 Posted: 0412 GMT (1212 HKT) WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Nearly $9 billion of money spent on Iraqi reconstruction is unaccounted for because of inefficiencies and bad management, according to a watchdog report published Sunday. An inspector general's report said the U.S.-led administration that ran Iraq until June 2004 is unable to account for the funds. "Severe inefficiencies and poor management" by the Coalition Provisional Authority has left auditors with no guarantee the money was properly used," the report said. "The CPA did not establish or implement sufficient managerial, financial and contractual controls to ensure that [Development Fund for Iraq] funds were used in a transparent manner," said Stuart W. Bowen Jr., director of the Office of the Special Inspector General for Iraq Reconstruction. The $8.8 billion was reported to have been spent on salaries, operating and capital expenditures, and reconstruction projects between October 2003 and June 2004, Bowen's report concluded. The money came from revenues from the United Nations' former oil-for-food program, oil sales and seized assets -- all Iraqi money. The audit did not examine the use of U.S. funds appropriated for reconstruction. (Full story) Auditors were unable to verify that the Iraqi money was spent for its intended purpose. In one case, they raised the possibility that thousands of "ghost employees" were on an unnamed ministry's payroll. "CPA staff identified at one ministry that although 8,206 guards were on the payroll, only 602 guards could be validated," the audit report states. "Consequently, there was no assurance funds were not provided for ghost employees." The Defense Department, which was in charge of the reconstruction effort, and former Iraq civil administrator Paul Bremer have disputed the findings. ********************************************************* Great job Bremer! Let's give him a medal! |
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