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UN condemns US
Topic Started: May 22 2005, 10:42 AM (762 Views)
Dwayne
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Alleged U.S. abuse 'utterly unacceptable'

Sunday, May 22, 2005 Updated at 10:46 AM EDT
Associated Press

Kabul — The United Nations condemned the alleged abuse of detainees at the main American base in Afghanistan as “utterly unacceptable” Sunday, and urged the U.S. military to allow an independent human rights group to investigate.

The New York Times reported Friday that poorly trained U.S. soldiers had repeatedly abused detainees. Afghan President Hamid Karzai called for tough punishment of abusers Saturday, and for the United States to hand over all Afghans still in its custody.

The report cited a 2,000-page confidential file on the army's criminal investigation into the deaths of two Afghans at the Bagram base north of the capital, Kabul, in December 2002.

“Such abuses are utterly unacceptable and an affront to everything the international community stands for,” said Richard Provencher, spokesman for the UN in Afghanistan. “The gravity of these abuses calls for the punishment of all those involved in such inexcusable crimes.”

He said all detainees should be treated in accordance with international law and called for “firm guarantees” that such abuses would not be repeated.

Mr. Provencher said the U.S.-led coalition should permit investigators from the Afghan Independent Human Rights Commission to have access to detainees and be allowed to monitor their cases.

Mr. Provencher said the UN “will redouble” its own efforts to follow up on complaints regarding the abuse of detainees.

Speaking to reporters on Saturday before a visit to the United States, Mr. Karzai also demanded more say over operations by the 16,700 U.S. troops still in the country, including an end to raids on the homes of Afghans unless his government was notified beforehand.

Afghan Defence Ministry spokesman Gen. Mohammed Zaher Azimi reiterated the demands Sunday.

“No operations in the future should be done without the co-operation of the Afghan government,” he said. “If anyone has to be arrested, it should be Afghan authorities who arrest them. These are the demands of the Afghan government.”

Mr. Karzai — seen by some of his critics as a U.S. puppet — issued his tough statement after the reports of prisoner abuse by American forces at Bagram, and the anti-U.S. riots that broke out across the country earlier this month, which left at least 15 people dead.

The unrest was triggered by a Newsweek magazine report, later retracted, that the Koran was defiled by interrogators at the U.S. prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The fray was likely further fuelled by long-standing complaints of heavy-handed search operations and the deaths of civilians in U.S. operations in Afghanistan.

In Washington, White House spokesman Trent Duffy said U.S. President George W. Bush was “alarmed by the reports of prisoner abuse,” and wants them thoroughly investigated. Duffy said seven people were being investigated about reported abuse at Bagram.

The Times' allegations of maltreatment were supported by Human Rights Watch, a New York-based watchdog group, which said at least six detainees in U.S. custody in Afghanistan have been killed since 2002.

In December, Pentagon officials said eight deaths of detainees in Afghanistan — including the two mentioned in the Times report — had been investigated since mid-2002. Hundreds of people were detained during and after the campaign by U.S.-led forces to oust the Taliban regime in late 2001.

After the outcry over abuse at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, the military also initiated a review of its detention facilities in Afghanistan and later said it had modified some of its procedures, although the review's findings have not been made public.
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doctortobe
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Fine, next time the UN wants our help with something, give them a firm NO.
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Dwayne
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Does anyone else find it odd that the UN and the New York Times are making such a big deal out of an over 2 year old incident where the military had already investigated, tried and sentenced the soldiers involved?

This reeks of desperation ... the UN and the media must ... MUST do all it can to make America under George W. Bush out to be the bad guys, because they fear that if the Bush Administration is successful it will forever change the relevence of the UN and leftist/socialist institutions.
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doctortobe
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Yes, they see the danger that the US will pull off a major victory not only in the realms of bringing democracy to the oppressed, but in fighting the war on terror.

And that victory would be not only without the UN, but IN SPITE of it.
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The UN are passivists, and full of hippies.

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This reeks of desperation ... the UN and the media must ... MUST do all it can to make America under George W. Bush out to be the bad, because they fear that if the Bush Administration is successful it will forever change the relevence of the UN and leftist/socialist institutions.


You'll find they do this to all those who are Republican no matter if it was President George W. Bush or some other Republican. You would learn the UN hate most of the truth.

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Fine, next time the UN wants our help with something, give them a firm NO.



You know when the UN told us no, I have a feeling Bush gave the line that Kirk gave when he was told he couldn't play with the Enterprise anymore.
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doctortobe
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Doing things under the UN chafes the US anyway. We do not like putting our forces under the control of an organization that does not know how to use them correctly.
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Would this be the same UN that is currently doing nothing about threats posed by Iran and North Korea, and whose Secretary is at best inept and at worse corrupt? Is this the same UN that includes tyrants who use their membership in said as a protective umbrella to preserve their kleptocracies? Could it be the same UN that ran the “Oil For Various Powerful People in France, Russia and other European Countries Program,” thereby propping up a vicious mass-murderer for profit? Is this the UN that removed the US from the Human Rights Commission, allegedly because our nation mistreats blacks, replacing us with the Sudan which is busy committing mass genocide of both its Christians and animists?

I am pretty certain that it is the same UN which in 1994 in Rwanda had forewarning that the Hutus were preparing to slaughter the Tutsi and which could have used its peacekeeping force, stationed right on the scene, to easily stopped the killings but, instead ordered the peacekeepers to do nothing. Thus, the U.N. forces drew back and the genocide proceeded. I am also fairly certain that this is the same UN whose Counter-Terrorism Committee will not adopt a definition of terrorism so that it can continue to cooperate with terrorists, particularly the Palestinian terrorists in Israel and also the same UN whose Relief and Works Agency employs terrorist members of Hamas, allows U.N. vehicles to carry terrorist supplies, and helps terrorist organizations collect money. And I am positive that the is the same organization which Daniel Patrick Moynihan, former Ambassador to the U.N., called a "squalid circus."
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The thing is that the so called UN are acred that someone might get hurt and bleed. They are scared that someone migt get wounded and people might die. Thats their attiude. This is why they are so against a war they claim illegal. Last I looked it called the U.S Army not the U.N Army. last I looked it was George W. Bush who is my leader not the head of the UN.
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doctortobe
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Perhaps we should condemn the UN. Send out an official diplomatic statement saying that the UN is nothing but an organization built on hypocrisy and whose sole desire is merely to maintain the status quo. Then we can deport each and every diplomat that is inside the UN building in New York.
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May 22 2005, 10:46 PM
Perhaps we should condemn the UN. Send out an official diplomatic statement saying that the UN is nothing but an organization built on hypocrisy and whose sole desire is merely to maintain the status quo. Then we can deport each and every diplomat that is inside the UN building in New York.

We should take back that land that we rightfully own.
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who
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I am so tired of the UN, the liberal media, and the Muslim community. Where is the outrage towards Saddam and all his acts? Where is the outrage towards Radical Islam with their savage killing of Muslims and non-Muslims? Where is the outrage over the problems of the UN itself including oil for food, the behavior of the UN "peacekeepers" in Africa? Why does the UN not take a stonger stance on Radical Islam? Why does the UN do nothing about the genocide in Africa?

It is time to put things in perspective. I am tired of the blame America first crowd blaming the US for their own fears and problems. If everyone is so Anti-American then let us pull ALL of our troops back home and stop ALL payments to the UN and other foreign aid. Furthermore, the UN can move off US soil.
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There was an interview with Afghanistan's President, Harmid Karzai on ABC last night , and he came over as very miffed over the incidents , he might be considering asking the USA to leave Afganistan if they don't improve their act.

Follow up :Karzai lobbies US President over Afghanistan ABC-RADIO AM this morning
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doctortobe
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He can count the number of days he would live on one hand if we did.
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I'm certainly enjoying this thread.


I think we're getting near that time where the US may have to start withdrawing it's support of the UN. This so-called diplomatic organization actually believes that it's purpose is to "counterbalance" US power in the world. "A new mission now; yes, that's it, we will save the world from the awful powers of democratic America."


How about a "Federation of Democratic Nations". Now there's an idea.
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Franko
May 23 2005, 01:55 AM
I'm certainly enjoying this thread.


I think we're getting near that time where the US may have to start withdrawing it's support of the UN. This so-called diplomatic organization actually believes that it's purpose is to "counterbalance" US power in the world. "A new mission now; yes, that's it, we will save the world from the awful powers of democratic America."


How about a "Federation of Democratic Nations". Now there's an idea.

I was under the impression that the USA had removed its support for the UN , except when the UN siuted it's purposes , already .

This happened when the UN refused to support or ligitimise the USA in preemptively waging war on Iraq .
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