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Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones
Topic Started: May 9 2005, 06:58 PM (846 Views)
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CLEANUP IN THE PHEROMONE THREAD!
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May 11 2005, 12:20 PM
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Hmmm. With CP and PC, will we never be the same again?

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Mark your calendars, I agree with Somerled on this one. I believe that it is a learned behavior. For whatever reason, the person chooses to sleep with someone of the same sex. After a while, it seems natural to them. Thats my opinion.
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Well, I think Kinsey said that approx 40% of all males have had a same sex "experience", since 11 guys have responded in this thread, at least 4 of us should know ;)
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Are you trying to tell us something, Proton? :ermm: :lol:





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Actually, I'm more amazed by people, particularily men, who are bi-sexual.


Talk about the 'best of both worlds'. :thud:







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8247
May 11 2005, 09:47 PM
Are you trying to tell us something, Proton? :ermm: :lol:

:lol: Good comeback!
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May 11 2005, 08:42 PM
Well, I think Kinsey said that approx 40% of all males have had a same sex "experience", since 11 guys have responded in this thread, at least 4 of us should know ;)

The thought of doing that kind of thing has never crossed my mind , :sick: is my response at even contemplating the act , maybe CP , or is that PC ? , is trying to tell us something .

I do however have my doubts about some other fellows here though.

As to any biological predisposition towards homosexuality - not that I have been all that interested in the topic - from what I have read and heard - the court is well and truely still out on that one.
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May 10 2005, 08:56 PM
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May 9 2005, 10:30 PM
The bottom line is, that like every nature vs. nurture argument, that it is a mixture of the two.  You may have urges, but that alone will not make you gay.  You still need to learn about what you are supposed to do with those urges.  Behavior is just as much experiance as it is hormones.

I do agree that environment plays a role, but I don't agree that it has anything to do with a person becoming homosexual. If environment was an equally strong influence as biology in determining homosexuality, then the same would be true for heterosexuals. What you suggest means that, if we changed the environment to its opposite and completely encourage homosexuality, then most of us would end up as homosexuals instead of heterosexuals. That I can't believe because I do believe in an instinctual urge to procreate as a matter of survival of our species. And if heterosexuality is biological, why is it difficult to believe that homosexuality is too?

That is not to say the environment makes no difference. For example, environment might play a role in changing the behavior of homosexuals to that of heterosexuals. Social forces can be very strong and, let's face it, there is far more societal influence to be heterosexual than to be homosexual. That shows itself in the example I gave of people who are homosexual, but don't realize it at first or don't want to believe it. They try to lead a heterosexual lifestyle, but find that it just doesn't fit them right. Some never quite realize it or never quite admit it. Others do and their heterosexual relationships then end. They may or may not move onto homosexual relationships from there.

I believe homosexuality is purely biological in its root. Environment only affects what a person ends up doing or not doing about their homosexuality.

That is not what I am saying. Your example completely ignores the biological component. If we were to change things around and have society proclaim that homosexuality was the most fantastic thing in the world, then almost all of those people with the genetic marker for homosexuality would indeed become homosexual. However, if wer were to reverse things and make any inkling of homosexuality punishable by a slow, painful, death, then very few people with the genetic marker for homosexuality would be homosexuals.

I think that the primary flaw in your reasoning is that those with the genetic marker for homosexuality MUST BE homosexual. That is not the case however. The nurture side of our development shows that our behaviour is not beholden to our nucleotide sequencing. For example, we are biologically conditioned to seek out all desireable mates and procreate with them. However, the nurture side of our development has made it so that it is deemed desireable to seek out one mate for life. Some people will even give up sex alltogether. Do they have a genetic marker for celibacy? Perhaps there is one that INFLUENCES that trait in a very select few, but that would not be the rule. For your own life, I would ask you when was the last time that you actively tried to encourage sexual activity from a complete stranger. If you are not doing that practically every day, you are diverging from your genetic code and showing how you have been nurtured.
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I read a different version of this article yesterday. That article stated that the doctor (Sandra... something) did not know if the reaction to the odors was learned or not. THAT would indicated learned behavior. That line was missing in the Yahoo story (I saw it in the Washington Post yesterday).
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A line was missing? Hmmm. I almost posted about the inaccuracies of online vs. print resources the other day. That's why we *always* check the print sources when we verify for students.
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Admiralbill_gomec
May 12 2005, 08:07 AM
I read a different version of this article yesterday. That article stated that the doctor (Sandra... something) did not know if the reaction to the odors was learned or not. THAT would indicated learned behavior. That line was missing in the Yahoo story (I saw it in the Washington Post yesterday).

The article that I linked via Yahoo is the same article published by the Washington Post website. Actually they were both from the same AP writer.

Washington Post Article...

Gay Men Respond Differently to Pheromones

I compared the articles and they were identical. If you come across an article disputing the contents of the original article, feel free to post it.
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^^^ I think he read the print version - not the online one, so he can't reprint it here.

It is not uncommon for the online version to be shorter.
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