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| Tweet Topic Started: May 5 2005, 08:05 PM (273 Views) | |
| Sgt. Jaggs | May 5 2005, 08:05 PM Post #1 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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I do not understand what the deal is with the Pope 'choosing' a Pope name. Pope Benedict has a given name and chose Benedict as his new name. Why is this? All this time I thought Pope John Paul was a guy named John Paul. Also, are there any other Denomonations which bless and dip hands into 'holy water'? As Lutherans we never did this. |
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 09:13 AM Post #2 |
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As far as why they choose new names, that's a very good question. From my understanding it stems back to the early days of the church, but I don't know exactly when it began. Names taken are often those of one of the twelve apostles (Paul, John, etc). Others might take the name of a saint, or other important figure in the history of the church. Some have taken names that reflect their beliefs (i.e. a number of pope were named "Pius"). In the case of the most recent pope, he was the second man to take the name John Paul (the first was elected pope only about a month before John Paul II, but died suddenly). Certain Orthodox faiths (Greek, Russian, and Serbian Orthodox for example) also dip their hands in holy water. The dipping hands bit is more than that for Catholics. Once we dip our hands into a holy water font upon entering a church, we then make the Sign of the Cross. Bless ourselves by lightly touching our forehead, heart, left then right shoulder while saying "In the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, Amen." In many of the Orthodox (sometimes called "Easter Rite") faiths, the touching of the shoulder order is reveresed and the left hand is used. |
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| Fesarius | May 6 2005, 09:19 AM Post #3 |
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Swidden, I have frequently wondered about this. I used to think it was a sign of disrespect. Thanks for the clarification. (BTW, the Eastern Orthodox also have a few different books in their bibles--different from both the Roman Catholic and the Protestant churches.) |
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 09:21 AM Post #4 |
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I'd heard that about the bibles, but have not had an opportunity to examine one (haven't created the opportunity is more like it, but one of these days I will...). |
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| Hoss | May 6 2005, 09:23 AM Post #5 |
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The pope renaming thing may have caught on because some of the given names were considered pagan names and the person to become pope chose a different name to honor a person in the past or a name with meaning that that person wished to immulate. |
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| Fesarius | May 6 2005, 09:35 AM Post #6 |
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Swidden, Well, once that library of yours is completed (or those books all unpacked), there will be no excuse.
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 04:37 PM Post #7 |
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^^^ Thing is, if I go about collecting all the books I want, my wife will likely put me in storage just to have room to move... |
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| Fesarius | May 6 2005, 05:13 PM Post #8 |
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^^^ LOL. Yeah, books are wonderful, but they don't compare to one's spouse. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | May 6 2005, 08:14 PM Post #9 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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Two more questions. My wife met a Catholic woman who said that they pray to Saints, and their prayers have been snswered. I am confused. Why would one pray to another Man?Second, what are 'last rites' as given upon ones deathbed, and is THIS also exclusive to Catholics? |
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| Intrepid2002 | May 6 2005, 08:43 PM Post #10 |
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^^^ Sometimes I think SOME Catholics are confused about the matter of praying to saints. In all actuality we as Catholics aren't supposed to pray to saints or even worship them (but sometimes when I visit a church and see some people talking to these statues I begin to wonder). What it is actually is that you're supposed to ask these saints to intercede for you. Sort of like a middle man putting in a good word for you to the Big Guy. I don't think the Last Rites are exclusive to Catholics. You'd have to ask someone who isn't Catholic I guess. Anyway, back to the term "Last Rites", it's really very misleading. It gives the connotation that the person truly is about to die. When I was growing up it was called the "Annointing of the Sick". It actually is a sacrament. It is my understanding that when a person is sick a priest annoints you with holy oil and it gives you spiritual health if anything. My mother always told me some people always waited till the last minute so that there would be no opportunity to sin again before one dies. But that's what she says.... |
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 08:47 PM Post #11 |
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Let's take these one at a time. As far as praying to the saints goes. This is an error that even many Catholics make. Anyone who dies and goes to heaven is, by definition, a saint. Now, the second error, again one that many Catholics can be included in, is that one does not actually pray to a particular saint. The saint does not answer your prayers. Rather what happens is this: The saint is in heaven and as such may intercede on your behalf before God (essentially plead your case). Now if you were to closely examine and formal prayer to a given saint, you would find this to be so in the way they are worded.
Last Rites is a misnomer, it is actually a Sarament called the Anointing of the Sick. The Catholic Church believes that Christ ordered Seven specific sacraments: Baptism, Reconciliation (aka Penance or Confession), Holy Communion, Confirmation, Marriage, Holy Orders (becoming a priest or nun) and Anointing of the Sick. Most catholics will participate in 6 out of the 7, since generally you cannot marry and enter the priesthood (or become a nun, but there are some occasional exceptions). Anointing of the Sick can be administered on a variety of occasions (i.e. you are very ill, you are dying, or about to undergo surgery) |
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| Fesarius | May 6 2005, 09:23 PM Post #12 |
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Swidden, Was this ('annointing of the sick') referred to as 'Extreme Unction' many years ago? I recall learning this term when growing up. |
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 09:24 PM Post #13 |
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It's possible. Some sacraments have been retitled over the years. |
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 09:28 PM Post #14 |
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It would appear so... Extreme Unction: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05716a.htm
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| Swidden | May 6 2005, 09:36 PM Post #15 |
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Jag, this may answer your question in part about whether or not it is administered to non-Catholics.
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