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What do you imagine Hell is like?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2005, 09:01 PM (1,527 Views)
~Luthien~
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I saw the movie Constantine which was a great movie but it also showed their reflection of hell and it looked quite scary so after seeing that movie everytime i think of hell i see the image from that movie in my head.
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Apr 26 2005, 01:26 PM
Pity as in feeling love for them and understanding that instead of acting out of malice, they are acting out of ignorance, or lack of enlightenment. Pity as in they will pay for their sins in the next life, and for some people, it will be a very difficult task.
Love takes many forms as you well know, to love someone who is doing things you dislike is the most difficult, it's easier to pity them first as they are responsible for thier actions, but often people do bad things out of ignorance and will end up paying for them later.

To me, ‘pity’ implies a sort of slightly contemptuous sorrow which I don’t see as a form of love. If my mother, or my children, or my friends loved me by feeling slightly contemptuous sorrow for my distress, ignorance, or whatever, I wouldn’t feel much love at all. I just can’t see this as the “enlightened perception.” If I were to characterize the enlightened perception I would see it as a falling away of all judgments based on people’s actions, or personality and a simple seeing of their inner goodness, the soul or spirit that has not changed since the very moment it was created. It is to be dazzled by the Reality of the nature of the biggest sinner. It is to look NOT at what the person has made of himself but at the person as God created him. This, I believe, and this alone is full-force love, the kind that comes only with enlightenment.
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~Luthien~
Apr 26 2005, 04:29 PM
I saw the movie Constantine which was a great movie but it also showed their reflection of hell and it looked quite scary so after seeing that movie everytime i think of hell i see the image from that movie in my head.

I haven’t seen the movie. What was their perception of Hell (i.e. what did it look like)?
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Conceptually, I've always thought of Heaven as a place where we undergo positive transformation and continue to grow and expand as "enlightened" beings. Interestingly enough, this for me intersects some aspects of Buddhism; I'm certain that Dr.Noah will be intrigued by that, since I still claim that primitive Christianity and Judaic mysticism has certain "Eastern" mystical influences to it.
However, it would take about thirty pages of digression to truly spell out what I mean by that.

As for the typical "Greek" dualist mode of everything always having to have an "opposite", I think that the concept of eternal or cosmic punishment is an old one, just like God must have an "anti-God", where certain modern Christian dogmatists (especially Fundamentalists) have tried to build up "Satan" as some sort of arch-villain for God, not "quite" as powerfull, but still a force to be reckoned with, when in fact according to Scripture he's little more than God's little hit man who carries out the "dirty work" (see Garden of Eden) when God needs to indulge in evil to make some kind of point.

As for Hell, if it does exist, I think that it is either a state of purgatory which decides whether or not an individual's spirit or essence can still flourish, or whether the soul will just continue to degenerate into entropy until it is reduced to a state of oblivion or ceases to exist entirely. The idea that God would relish the torment of an individual throughout eternity is in philosophical conflict with what I believe to be the "modus operandi" of such a Divinity; and I'm afraid that it requires more than just "Bible quotes" to convince me otherwise. The idea of perfectly nice people being blasted into hell-fire is in contradiction of everything that "enlightenment" and "justice" and "righteousness" stand for. Sorry.

Just my general perspective on some of this. Either that or they're building a new wing for me in Hades :news:


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Apr 26 2005, 08:15 PM
~Luthien~
Apr 26 2005, 04:29 PM
I saw the movie Constantine which was a great movie but it also showed their reflection of hell and it looked quite scary so after seeing that movie everytime i think of hell i see the image from that movie in my head.

I haven’t seen the movie. What was their perception of Hell (i.e. what did it look like)?

They portraied the devil as this person in a white suit with black ( teer?? ) on his hands and feet which he uses to get a person's soul with and he looks and talks very seducive trying to get people into hell,and hell itself was like this broken down city filled with fire and broken buildings and cars and these scarylooking creatures that everytime they saw a human started to chase it and bite it and eat it,really disgusting looking but it looked pretty scary also.
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I liked C.S. Lewis' description of hell in "The Great Divorce." It also was a city which Lewis describes as consisting of "...only dingy lodging houses, small tobacconists, hoardings from which posters hung in rags, windowless warehouses, goods stations without trains, and bookshops of the sort that sell The Works of Aristotle." But very few people lived in the city proper, mostly just the new arrivals. This was because the longer you stayed in hell, the more you couldn't stand being around others and people moved farther and farther and farther away from each other over the endless years. The reader had the feeling that the oldest residents might have been millions of light years distant from town.
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^^^

that would fit a description of hell too i think.
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~Luthien~
Apr 27 2005, 08:55 AM
^^^

that would fit a description of hell too i think.

One of the oddest things in the book concerned the span of hell. As I said, you get the feeling that it is vast. And yet, when the main character takes a bus ride to Heaven, somebody (perhaps an angel, I can't remember) lifts up a single blade of grass and beneath it, lies all of hell.
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C. S. Lewis--he is a gem, for sure. I would defy any atheist to read some of his works and not come away from that experience either an agnostic or a believer.
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^^^

His work is great yes,and theyre filming his books now too,cant wait
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^^^
Luthien,

Did you know that he was a scholar and medieval historian? I love how his work in the middle ages and related areas dovetailed into his later fictional writings. :)
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He was also a memeber of JRR Tolkein's medievel literature club and a good frind of his. It has been speculated that Treebeard was modeled after him. But this was discussed in the LOTR interviews, so I think Luthien might know that.
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~Luthien~
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yesh I do :P
I didnt know he was a medieval historian though.
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^^^
You do realize that we need a castle thread. :)
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then start one? ^^
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