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What do you imagine Hell is like?
Topic Started: Apr 25 2005, 09:01 PM (1,528 Views)
psyfi
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Apr 26 2005, 06:38 AM
psyfi
Apr 26 2005, 01:54 AM
I gotta go with Edgar Cayce on this one. He said that there were actually two hellish levels on the supernatural plane (for lack of a better what to say it). These hells were created not by God but by the guilty heart and conscience and it is a person's own sense of shame that condemns them to these places. However, Cayce was glad to report that just as there are ministers who call people to God here one earth, so too in hell. In time, all shall make the choice to depart their hellish creations and return to God. In this way, shall mankind see the fulfillment of the scriptural declaration in 1 Timothy 2:4 that God wills the salvation of all.

I agree with that, at least I think I know what you are talking about. I believe that Hell is a state of mind, a small part of which most of us are in now....but not a place.

I do think that hell is a state of mind but I also think it is perceived as a place. I feel the same about what we think of as "physical reality."
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Minuet
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Apr 26 2005, 09:35 AM
Whoops, Toronto!

Toronto is in Ontario - not British Columbia.

Take out a map of Canada and look first to the left side. You will see British Columbia. Then look to the right side. Move slightly back to the centre, but not all the way and you will find Ontario.

Thousands of miles from British Columbia :P
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Minuet
Apr 26 2005, 09:19 AM
captain_proton_au
Apr 26 2005, 09:35 AM
Whoops, Toronto!

Toronto is in Ontario - not British Columbia.

Take out a map of Canada and look first to the left side. You will see British Columbia. Then look to the right side. Move slightly back to the centre, but not all the way and you will find Ontario.

Thousands of miles from British Columbia :P

Errr, I never said Toronto was in BC
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Dr. Noah
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Being a Buddhist, I don't believe in hell, but I do believe you can be reincarnated into a bad situation if you were less than scrupulous in your previous life. I suspect the severity of the next life depends on the sins of the previous, but if you were someone who say, lied to start a war which subsequently resulted in the deaths of thousands of people you may come back in your next life as a native of the region you de-stabilized so you could live under the terror of insurgent attacks and ruthless despots.
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Apr 26 2005, 09:39 AM
Being a Buddhist, I don't believe in hell, but I do believe you can be reincarnated into a bad situation if you were less than scrupulous in your previous life. I suspect the severity of the next life depends on the sins of the previous, but if you were someone who say, lied to start a war which subsequently resulted in the deaths of thousands of people you may come back in your next life as a native of the region you de-stabilized so you could live under the terror of insurgent attacks and ruthless despots.

Dr. Noah, I have read three posts by you today and no matter the topic up for discussion, you have taken a bead on Bush and pulled the trigger. So, as a Buddhist, let me ask you a question. When we develop an utter dislike for another person (such as I did with Clinton), do you think that this affects us when we are reincarnated? Do you think that once again our life circumstances will offer that person up to our perception so that we can trade in our dislike, our displeasure, our judgment, and any other negative feelings for love?
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Psyfi - thanks for putting a spiritual spin on Noah's comments. :)

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Just a reminder to EVERYONE to keep politics out of this forum. Thank you.

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Dr. Noah
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Am I allowed to respond?
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Minuet
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Since her question was within the context of spirituality I would say yes. Just make sure you read her question very carefully and keep your answer within the boundaries of the question.

Thanks for asking :wave2:
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Dr. Noah
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I think it's very difficult to go through life without developing dislike for anyone. Especially toward people who are directly responsible for the death of thousands of innocents. Perhaps there is more for me to learn this time around about being tolerant of people who want to impose thier philosophies on others and when the government causing the deaths of thousands is necessary, but that's something I'll find out later.

Of course, as in Christianity, one is encouraged to feel sorry for such a person as they obviously have not been enlightened and the tribulations of the next life their karma has earned them, but it's difficult when the person in question shows no remorse.

Thanks Minuet for not being offended by my question regarding moderation. ;)
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Sisko - I said you could answer her question. You did not do so. Instead you chose to continue your rant against Bush.

Her question clearly asked about being given a second chance in a second life to learn to love instead of hate. Try answering that question.
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Dr. Noah
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I thought I had. Let me reiterate. The philosophy of Buddhism is that you learn more and more each life you live until you finally reach enlightenment. I believe the closer you get to enlightenment, you may be able to see someone who does such things in a different light, more out of pity rather than anger.

How was that?
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Dr. Noah
Apr 26 2005, 01:19 PM
I believe the closer you get to enlightenment, you may be able to see someone who does such things in a different light, more out of pity rather than anger.

or how about necessity and understanding, could that be felt as well?
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I beleive that Hell is both a place and a state of mind. If I were to use discripting words they would be;

Cold, Dark.

In the descriptions of heaven words like bright, light ect. It's probably a nice perfect warm temperature. To me that follows that Hell is the opposite.

Lonely.

What can be fun about spending eternity by yourself.

That's how I imagine Hell is like. If the earth becomes heaven like described in the Bible, then Hell will be a physical place too. My guess is a black hole. Nothing comes out.

Just my opinion.
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psyfi
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Apr 26 2005, 12:19 PM
I thought I had. Let me reiterate. The philosophy of Buddhism is that you learn more and more each life you live until you finally reach enlightenment. I believe the closer you get to enlightenment, you may be able to see someone who does such things in a different light, more out of pity rather than anger.

How was that?

I think it is difficult to say, without being enlightened, exactly what the enlightened perception might be. But from what I have read of Buddhism and other spiritual books, I don't see "pity" and love as exactly the same thing.
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Dr. Noah
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Pity as in feeling love for them and understanding that instead of acting out of malice, they are acting out of ignorance, or lack of enlightenment. Pity as in they will pay for their sins in the next life, and for some people, it will be a very difficult task.
Love takes many forms as you well know, to love someone who is doing things you dislike is the most difficult, it's easier to pity them first as they are responsible for thier actions, but often people do bad things out of ignorance and will end up paying for them later.
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