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is God perfect?
Topic Started: Apr 20 2005, 09:23 AM (733 Views)
Fesarius
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Franko,

Interesting speculation. I never thought of that before.

Side note: I was watching a show the other day, and in it, one of the characters said (I kid you not) "What in the name of Capt. Pike do you think you're doing?" Is there another (perhaps non-fictional) Capt. Pike in history that I am forgetting about?
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Apr 22 2005, 07:26 AM
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Franko,

Interesting speculation. I never thought of that before.

Side note: I was watching a show the other day, and in it, one of the characters said (I kid you not) "What in the name of Capt. Pike do you think you're doing?" Is there another (perhaps non-fictional) Capt. Pike in history that I am forgetting about?

There was a Captain Zebulon M. Pike who was a famous explorer in early California history. He published books about his adventures.
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Fesarius
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Ahhh, that's probably it. I now recall that name (thanks). :)
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The question is, "Is God perfect?" I ask, "What is perfect?"

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Okay one more time, but simpler. God's the organ grinder, we're the dancing monkeys... ;) :D :angel: :whistle:
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Dan,

I can think of two reasons why a perfect God would create an imperfect man.

1. Perfection is boring: I remember reading a book about a child who wanted more then anything to be perfect. I cannot remember whether or not he got letters or a book in the mail, but he used them to nearly reach perfection. He found himself in a darkened room, with a large crowd of people, sitting in a chair sipping tea. That was all he could do because if he did anything else, then he might make a mistake and not be perfect. So he had to spend the rest of his life drinking tea to achieve his dream.

God probably has some way in enjoying being perfect (creating us for one thing), but I think perfection would drive humans insane.

2. We wouldn't learn: Just how do humans learn something if it is not taught to them by another human? Even when you are taught by a human, that is only the result of a mistake made by a different person at an earlier time. Even if we were perfect, we would never grow as a species.

One could argue that God should be able to shake the system around and make us perfect but also human, but this is the way that God planned to make us so that is how He made us. In all likelyhood, if God had made us another way, then you would be using the exact same argument.

Quite frankly, the only real thing that God could do to satisfy all the requirements of perfection would be to create a duplicate of Himself. Now, given that a lesser creation of His, Lucifer, ended up causing a heap of trouble for God, I would think that He would be exercising a great deal of intelligence by not doing this.
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2. We wouldn't learn: Just how do humans learn something if it is not taught to them by another human? Even when you are taught by a human, that is only the result of a mistake made by a different person at an earlier time. Even if we were perfect, we would never grow as a species.

Doctortobe,

You've reminded me of that wonderful exchange in This Side of Paradise:

That's paradise?
We have no need or want, Captain.
It's a true Eden, Jim.
There is belonging...
and love.
No wants. No needs.
We weren't meant for that. None of us.
Man stagnates if he has no ambition,
no desire to be more than he is.
We have what we need.
Except a challenge.
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