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LOL, Spiner- minor role in These are the voyages..; And to be in Braga's Threshold
Topic Started: Mar 25 2005, 11:57 AM (978 Views)
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Sorry my reply was in answer to Captain P's earlier comment about casual and non Trekkers
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Ar right! :lol: I thought I was going mad for a moment!
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Dr. Noah
Mar 25 2005, 01:06 PM
A niche series that told the story of the greatest war the Federation, indeed the Alpha Quadrant has ever seen. Yeah, not really worth paying any attention to.

The idea of the Dominion War was founded on a ridiculous premise, that the changelings, were "one changeling never harms another" were hell bent on wiping out every other sentient beings.

This disparity was never explained properly in DS9.

Add to that the fact that you only ever saw one nasty changeling (besides the one in Chimera), and that the resolution of this was crammed into the final two parter.

DS9 was as guilty as any other series for having some major plot holes
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Mar 25 2005, 06:17 PM
DS9 was as guilty as any other series for having some major plot holes

I agree, but it is still the best series!
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Maybe you don't remeber that in The Search the female shapeshifter explained that the changelings are hiding because for centuries they were hunted and persecuted by solids. And they weren't hellbent on wiping out all other sentients, they were hellbent on controlling them. They would try to negotiate before they took them over. What do you think the Vorta were for? The other nasty changlings you see in the Advarsary and Paradise Lost as well as the one impersonating Bashir in By Inferno's Light. And the resolution to the war in terms of the disease passed to the founders was first hinted at in Tretchery, Faith and the Great River. The fact that you don't recall any of this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about. If you have any other continuity questions though, I will be happy to answer them for you. :)
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Mar 25 2005, 01:22 PM
Maybe you don't remeber that in The Search the female shapeshifter explained that the changelings are hiding because for centuries they were hunted and persecuted by solids. And they weren't hellbent on wiping out all other sentients, they were hellbent on controlling them. They would try to negotiate before they took them over. What do you think the Vorta were for? The other nasty changlings you see in the Advarsary and Paradise Lost as well as the one impersonating Bashir in By Inferno's Light. And the resolution to the war in terms of the disease passed to the founders was first hinted at in Tretchery, Faith and the Great River. The fact that you don't recall any of this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about. If you have any other continuity questions though, I will be happy to answer them for you. :)

All that proves nothing





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they weren't hellbent on wiping out all other sentients, they were hellbent on controlling them


In terms of the storyline, the difference is..?





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The other nasty changlings you see in the Advarsary and Paradise Lost as well as the one impersonating Bashir in By Inferno's Light.


Where we didnt actually see the real changelings, so either it was a 'clever' plot twist or they just didnt want to pay for another actor and their make-up



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And the resolution to the war in terms of the disease passed to the founders was first hinted at in Tretchery, Faith and the Great River.


That wasnt the resolution of the war


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The fact that you don't recall any of this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about.  If you have any other continuity questions though, I will be happy to answer them for you.  :)


None of it really explains the changelings motives, why not just blow up the wormhole?
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a. the difference is, you're wrong, and misrepresented the plot.
b. I'm afraid you do actually see the changling in Advarsary, oh, yes and I forgot the changling impersonating Martok too.
c. what are you speaking of specifically then if not the founder's disease?
d. the motive is to make sure no solids have the power to hurt them again. They didn't blow up the wormhole because eventually they would have to deal with the Federation. The sooner, the better, later they could be stronger and more difficult to deal with.
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Mar 25 2005, 06:36 PM
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Mar 25 2005, 01:22 PM
Maybe you don't remeber that in The Search the female shapeshifter explained that the changelings are hiding because for centuries they were hunted and persecuted by solids.  And they weren't hellbent on wiping out all other sentients, they were hellbent on controlling them.  They would try to negotiate before they took them over.  What do you think the Vorta were for?  The other nasty changlings you see in the Advarsary and Paradise Lost as well as the one impersonating Bashir in By Inferno's Light.  And the resolution to the war in terms of the disease passed to the founders was first hinted at in Tretchery, Faith and the Great River.  The fact that you don't recall any of this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about.  If you have any other continuity questions though, I will be happy to answer them for you.  :)

All that proves nothing





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they weren't hellbent on wiping out all other sentients, they were hellbent on controlling them


In terms of the storyline, the difference is..?





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The other nasty changlings you see in the Advarsary and Paradise Lost as well as the one impersonating Bashir in By Inferno's Light.


Where we didnt actually see the real changelings, so either it was a 'clever' plot twist or they just didnt want to pay for another actor and their make-up



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And the resolution to the war in terms of the disease passed to the founders was first hinted at in Tretchery, Faith and the Great River.


That wasnt the resolution of the war


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The fact that you don't recall any of this leads me to believe you really don't know what you're talking about.  If you have any other continuity questions though, I will be happy to answer them for you.   :)


None of it really explains the changelings motives, why not just blow up the wormhole?

Yes it does it proves they had a plan, they set stuff up.
The diference is that they don't want to kill, they want to maike sure nobody kills them.
No we saw them, they are changlings, they can chnage there shape you see, clever that isn't it.
What was the resolution to the war, what ended the war, maybe you are on about where they all sat around and signed the treaty ?
And how exactly do you just blow up a wormhole ?
and B why would they blow up a wormhole, when there is a rich vast new area of space to see.
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Mar 25 2005, 01:41 PM
a. the difference is, you're wrong, and misrepresented the plot.
b. I'm afraid you do actually see the changling in Advarsary, oh, yes and I forgot the changling impersonating Martok too.
c. what are you speaking of specifically then if not the founder's disease?
d. the motive is to make sure no solids have the power to hurt them again. They didn't blow up the wormhole because eventually they would have to deal with the Federation. The sooner, the better, later they could be stronger and more difficult to deal with.

A. I dont think I did, we saw with the Cardassians, breen and Jem hadar, they didnt really care how many died

B. Dont really remember Advesary sorry

C. The end of the war, which also depeneded on the Cardassians turning sides

D. Nah, I dont buy this, better to wait and build up defenses, plug up the wormhole. The Alpha Quad isnt the only source of solids.



And further: another one I always found hard to swallow was the Alpha quad end of the wormhole being protected by one pissy old Cardassian Space Station, from season 1 when they f irst discovered the wormhole SF would have started amassing huge resources around Bajor, a few more space stations, an armada and needed infrastructure, it was after all the only known stable wormhole
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Mar 25 2005, 07:06 PM
And further: another one I always found hard to swallow was the Alpha quad end of the wormhole being protected by one pissy old Cardassian Space Station, from season 1 when they f irst discovered the wormhole SF would have started amassing huge resources around Bajor, a few more space stations, an armada and needed infrastructure, it was after all the only known stable wormhole

Well, DS9 was pretty big, perhaps it had everything they needed.
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Mar 25 2005, 02:10 PM

Well, DS9 was pretty big, perhaps it had everything they needed.

Wasnt even big enough to repel the Cardassians
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Well, ar... you got me! (Man that hurt my male pride!)
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a. You're misrepresenting again. You first stated that they were hellbent on wiping out all the solids, I said they were not, only controlling them, now you say that them using solids as cannon fodder in the war to control the Alpha Quadrant is making them hellbent on wiping out all solids. That is not the case. They are using their subjects as cannon fodder as any military commander would do. It doesn't mean they want to destroy all sentient life.
b. Which proves my point, thanks. Again, you also see the changling in Apocalypse Rising.
c. So the end of the war being the retaking of Cardassia. That whole battle was played out on screen. It was thier last foothold in the Alpha Quadrant. I don't understand your complaint. The changling disease was forshadowed at the beginning of the 7th season, the end of the war was shown at the end of the series.
d. Well, that's why you're not the Dominion strategic director isn't it? The Alpha quadrant isn't the only source of solids, and they have a plan for dealing with the rest of the galaxy, but they didn't plan on dealing with the Federation so soon, but then the wormhole was discovered so they had to accelerate their plans.

And as a matter of fact, other facilities were built on the Bajoan moons as evidenced in the first few episodes of the 7th season when a Romulan hospital on one of Bajor's moons turned away a Vulcan crew and was discovered to be harboring weapons. DS9's weapons were upgraded continuously, and there were always dozens of ships patrolling the sector. We can assume that the Federation probably built more facilities on and around Bajor and it's moons.
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I'll use this opportunity to say again that I do like (mainly post worf) DS9.

Just dont anyone try to tell me that it has no:
plot holes,
eps that suck,
characters that are boring,
stupid storylines.

All series suffer from these things
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