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Divergence - Official Review Thread; ***Warning - Spoilers***
Topic Started: Feb 25 2005, 05:09 PM (614 Views)
Swidden
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ImpulseEngine
Feb 27 2005, 08:34 PM
Swidden
Feb 27 2005, 06:45 PM
No wind in space.

Are you sure? :headscratch: I wondered about that, but then when I thought about it, I don't see how that's possible. There may be no natural wind (as in a breeze you would feel while standing still), but when moving at warp speed all it would take is the slightest atmospheric particles and it would have to cause wind. I suppose the warp field could block the wind though. :shrug:

Yeah, not exactly "wind" as we would consider it terrestrially. However, space is not empty so under ordinary circumstances with real world technology flying at any significantly high rate of speed Trip probably would have had his suit (not to mention himself) ripped to shreds with minute particles. Arthur Clarke addressed this in an interesting way in his and Gentry Lee's novel "Songs of Distant Earth" by having a multigenerational colony ship using an immense shield of ice to solve the friction problem. However, as we know, Trek gets around this with the concept of the navigational deflector (a large "satellite" dish on the NX and TOS era ships, a glowing dish on the movie ships and later). So presumably the deflector should prevent either a "wind" or particle problem.

I am not so sure though about an inertia/motion problem. Though some of the solar sail concepts would seem to suggest that it should not be a problem either.
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Sophie
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I think I found a plot hole:


Kirk's generation knew the Klingons had no forehead ridges, Sisko and gang knew Klingons of their time had ridges and wondered why they didn't in Kirk's time.

Wouldn't Archer have reported the reason why the ridges disappeared and isn't early starfleet history a course at the Academy where students read early reports??
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Dr. Noah
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Maybe he didn't report it to keep the genetic wars from resurfacing.
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ImpulseEngine
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Swidden
Mar 1 2005, 06:59 PM
ImpulseEngine
Feb 27 2005, 08:34 PM
Swidden
Feb 27 2005, 06:45 PM
No wind in space.

Are you sure? :headscratch: I wondered about that, but then when I thought about it, I don't see how that's possible. There may be no natural wind (as in a breeze you would feel while standing still), but when moving at warp speed all it would take is the slightest atmospheric particles and it would have to cause wind. I suppose the warp field could block the wind though. :shrug:

Yeah, not exactly "wind" as we would consider it terrestrially. However, space is not empty so under ordinary circumstances with real world technology flying at any significantly high rate of speed Trip probably would have had his suit (not to mention himself) ripped to shreds with minute particles. Arthur Clarke addressed this in an interesting way in his and Gentry Lee's novel "Songs of Distant Earth" by having a multigenerational colony ship using an immense shield of ice to solve the friction problem. However, as we know, Trek gets around this with the concept of the navigational deflector (a large "satellite" dish on the NX and TOS era ships, a glowing dish on the movie ships and later). So presumably the deflector should prevent either a "wind" or particle problem.

I am not so sure though about an inertia/motion problem. Though some of the solar sail concepts would seem to suggest that it should not be a problem either.

I suppose it depends on the range of deflection as far as the deflectors go. The deflectors would block particles and "wind" from the Enterprise and presumably anything directly behind the Enterprise. However, Trip was not behind Enterprise or Columbia. He was between them. I'm not sure the deflectors could deflect particles out that far from the ship.
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Most likely, but other than the Nav Deflector I just don't believe that travelling at warp 5 a guy could be so lucky as to not be turned into Swiss cheese from thousands (at least) of micro-meteors and other assorted space dust...
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Mar 4 2005, 10:28 AM
I think I found a plot hole:


Kirk's generation knew the Klingons had no forehead ridges, Sisko and gang knew Klingons of their time had ridges and wondered why they didn't in Kirk's time.

Wouldn't Archer have reported the reason why the ridges disappeared and isn't early starfleet history a course at the Academy where students read early reports??

Hmmm, maybe revisionist history is pro forma by the 24th century... :D :angel: :whistle:
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I'vejustseenthis episode last night, I decided to wait against downloading it, no rush.
I agree that Reed was pointless in the transfer of Trip to the NX-01, I mean all hedidwasshoottheteather the way they were building it up before hand I thought he was going comando down the rope, sling Trip over one sholder and then climb back up or something. Looked a bit hokey but not too bad.

I beleive it was 24 who voiced one of my early statements about the epsiode though with
"Its speed, in space."

Humm what else, oh yeah where was the scene with Phlox getten beaten up, now I missed a few seconds of the opening but last I recalled he was fine and well a bit miffed off inpart one and then two opend and he isliyinghalf dead on his bunk. Di I miss it, am I just forget full ?
Now what else ?
Nope I think everyone has said everything now I'd the two epsiodes together a low 4 out of five
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