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Central American (El Salvadore) Model => Iraq ?
Topic Started: Jan 26 2005, 12:59 PM (429 Views)
Dr. Noah
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The one who continuously insults me for no particular reason. And who happens to have set up rules to stop such things from happening.
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Fesarius
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I see. Here's hoping that those differences are settled soon. I enjoy posts written by the both of you, obviously. :)
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Jan 26 2005, 06:38 PM
The one who continuously insults me for no particular reason. And who happens to have set up rules to stop such things from happening.

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Sisko, I lived in Santiago, Chile, for 18 months during the government of Augusto Pinochet. During that time, I lived in the houses of ordinary people, shopped in Chilean street markets, and immersed myself in the culture. During that time, I spoke Spanish almost exclusively - to the point I had difficulty remembering English words when I returned. All day, everyday for 18 months, I did nothing but talk to Chilean people about whatever they wanted to talk about. All my American friends did the same, but some were stationed in cities other than Santiago at various time. I also roomed with a series of Chilean roommates who themselves were from different parts of Chile.

I was there just after the coup and during the vote that eventually ended Pinochet's administration.

THAT is "my perspective".

Sisko
 
This is historic fact. Bury your head in the sand if you must, but these things happened. I understand that some of these things were necessary, but to deny that they happened altogether shows me your perspective very well.


Since you believe that "my perspective" involves denying what happened, please tell me what really did happen in your opinion.

As to my "insulting" you - that's your opinion. I disagree with you sure - is that not allowed?

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Dr. Noah
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Then you are no doubt familiar with his human rights abuses.

Are you denying that the United States supported terrorists and dictators? I can come up with numerous sites to prove it as I have many many times before

http://www.remember-chile.org.uk/

And maybe, just maybe instead of resorting to using anti-American as your rhetoric to dismiss others you could perhaps engage in intelligent discussion without manipulating and baiting people.

I shouldn't have to tell you this, you're the freaking administrator!!! :realmad:
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Fesarius
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The Sisko,

I believe I am to blame for this. I suppose I just don't think of the U.S. as supportive of terrorism or terrorist attacks.
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Dr. Noah
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You are most certainly not to blame.

I am tired of constantly being labeled anti-American by posters who happen to disagree with me. I am NOT anti-American. I love my country, why am I constantly having to state that I do? This stinks of nationalist propaganda that if you don't support the president that you are against America. That is utter BS and people here should know better.
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Wichita
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Jan 26 2005, 07:15 PM
And maybe, just maybe instead of resorting to using anti-American as your rhetoric to dismiss others you could perhaps engage in intelligent discussion without manipulating and baiting people.

I shouldn't have to tell you this, you're the freaking administrator!!! :realmad:

:no: :rolleyes: :no:

Since you have chosen to resort to name calling ("manipulative" and "baiting"), I am out of this conversation.














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Admiralbill_gomec
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Jan 26 2005, 12:32 PM
Are you going to deny that the United States (as well as the USSR) supported terrorists to overthrow opposite ideology regimes and replaced them with repressive puppet governments?

This is historic fact.  Bury your head in the sand if you must, but these things happened.  I understand that some of these things were necessary, but to deny that they happened altogether shows me your perspective very well.

Actually most of it is exaggeration... and I know Somerled's (edited by me) "common dreams" source is a major cause of it.
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Fesarius
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The Sisko,

Agreed. But perhaps we all take our own passions too seriously at times.
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Dr. Noah
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Maybe you shouldn't label others if you wish not to be labeled yourself.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Jan 26 2005, 11:59 AM
On Aunti's 24hr News Radio there was a discussion this morning that I listened to why feeding the fish and mozzies (and with the warm damp weather the last couple of weeks there plenty of them and they were hungry up near the Sygma Wreck on Stockton Beach !).

The upshot is that the El Savadore Model of bringing about "democracy" , which is supported by the Pentagon , the Whitehouse , and many in the USA (?) , is regarded as success by some in the USA (in that the El Savadorian insurgency collapsed and evaporated eventually once their outside support mechanisms disappeared).

El Salvador Model for the Future of Iraq Suggested by Chenery

Secretary Rumsfeld Veteran's Day Remarks, U.S. Embassy, San Salvador, El Salvador

Repeating Errors of History

El Salvador-style 'death squads' to be deployed by US against Iraq militants


The disturbing thing is that this model involves the USA sponsored and supported and controlled puppet government by being even more brutal than and out-terrorising the insurgents.
Key methods were disappearances, torture, assassinations and brutalisation - murder (death) squads who acted outside the law and were a law onto themselves , and who very quickly became indescriminate in who they attacked or butchered . If this is truely what the Pentagon and Whitehouse and CIA (etc) are contemplating for Iraq after the elections then this is a problem and more than just disturbing.

So much for the moral high ground.

So who else is finds this train of thought by the movers and shakers in the Whitehouse, Washington and Pentagon worrying ?

No, the disturbing thing is that you automatically believe anything that goes against the United States.

Could you be anymore blatant, or are you going to tattoo "Bush is Hitler" on your forehead sometime soon?

By the way, how's Olivia doing?
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Jan 26 2005, 01:10 PM
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Don't you think, though, that there was some good having the Cold War 'in place,' so to speak?  I'm speaking of the perceived 'balance of power.'

In short - no.

How could polarisation of the world be productive ?

How could destabilising or deposing duely elected foreign governments be positive ?

ABG: If you have nothing to say and are only interested in trying to bait me , then I suggest you go elsewhere as I will not be playing your petty and vindicative games. I am interested in discussing the topic even if you are not.

Wicheta : How do you out-terror the terrorists ? That was a question posed in the program I heard (did you hear it too ?) , the answer is Terror Squads who operate beyond the law and accepted conventions, who have total freedom and will stop at nothing and leave no witnesses.

The proof will be what happens as Iraq moves to the real election season and beyond and as the Whitehouse, CIA and Pentagon become more and more desperate to extract themselves and to look like they are winning , and as they become more desperate to take out all opposition to the occupation and the puppet government in Iraq. There are historical precedents, eventually the rule book be tossed out, though no-one in the Whitehouse or CIA will admit to it.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Jan 26 2005, 10:12 PM
ABG: If you have nothing to say and are only interested in trying to bait me , then I suggest you go elsewhere as I will not be playing your petty and vindicative games. I am interested in discussing the topic even if you are not.

No. You're not. You're just interested in flaming the United States and baiting those of us who love this country.

Wow, caught you in another lie.

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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 26 2005, 11:57 PM
somerled
Jan 26 2005, 10:12 PM
ABG: If you have nothing to say and are only interested in trying to bait me , then I suggest you go elsewhere as I will not be playing your petty and vindicative games. I am  interested in discussing the topic even if you are not.

No. You're not. You're just interested in flaming the United States and baiting those of us who love this country.

Wow, caught you in another lie.

:idea: Get a grip , go smell the flowers , get some professional help , take a chill pill , commune with Mrs.Palmer , or what ever it takes , you are such a N.A.F.A.F.W. ( Does it come with the territory ?) :loling: :rotfl: :evil1:


It's obvious that you have nothing that's worthwhile reading to add , else you have posted it by now. You've already lost this one by default. :loling: :rotfl:

We all know that you personally see absolutely no problem with applying the El Savadore Model in Iraq .
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Admiralbill_gomec
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We all know that you personally see absolutely no problem with applying the El Savadore Model in Iraq .


Boy, you don't even know what you're talking about. I doubt you could find El Salvador on a map, seeing as you can't friggin' spell the place.

Just admit that you are indulging in another anti-American CONSPIRACY that makes a sad attempt to make the United States look bad. You won't because you don't have the guts to come out and say it, because you know your vertically-challenged a$$ would be banned.
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