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| Central American (El Salvadore) Model => Iraq ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 26 2005, 12:59 PM (428 Views) | |
| somerled | Jan 26 2005, 12:59 PM Post #1 |
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On Aunti's 24hr News Radio there was a discussion this morning that I listened to while feeding the fish and mozzies (and with the warm damp weather the last couple of weeks there plenty of them and they were hungry up near the Sygma Wreck on Stockton Beach !). The upshot is that the El Savadore Model of bringing about "democracy" , which is supported by the Pentagon , the Whitehouse , and many in the USA (?) , is regarded as success by some in the USA (in that the El Savadorian insurgency collapsed and evaporated eventually once their outside support mechanisms disappeared). El Salvador Model for the Future of Iraq Suggested by Chenery Secretary Rumsfeld Veteran's Day Remarks, U.S. Embassy, San Salvador, El Salvador Repeating Errors of History El Salvador-style 'death squads' to be deployed by US against Iraq militants The disturbing thing is that this model involves the USA sponsored and supported and controlled puppet government by being even more brutal than and out-terrorising the insurgents. Key methods were disappearances, torture, assassinations and brutalisation - murder (death) squads who acted outside the law and were a law onto themselves , and who very quickly became indescriminate in who they attacked or butchered . If this is truely what the Pentagon and Whitehouse and CIA (etc) are contemplating for Iraq after the elections then this is a problem and more than just disturbing. So much for the moral high ground. So who else is finds this train of thought by the movers and shakers in the Whitehouse, Washington and Pentagon worrying ? |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:04 PM Post #2 |
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The Cold War is one of the best examples of how fear can control you. There are several nations who elected socialist leadership who were quickly deposed by US backed terrorist intervention, and replaced with a represseive puppet regime. People in the US were terrified that Communisim would take over the world. By the 80s, the case was a bit overstated, but Cuba was willing to have Soviet missles, I think many of the actions taken in Central America were reflctions of that crisis. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:10 PM Post #3 |
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^^^ Don't you think, though, that there was some good having the Cold War 'in place,' so to speak? I'm speaking of the perceived 'balance of power.' |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:15 PM Post #4 |
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Hard to say, there are some nations that have definately benefitted from our intervention, but it seems the fallout of the Cold War is becoming a far bigger problem than the Cold War ever was. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:16 PM Post #5 |
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^^^ So one could refer to this as 'Cold Fallout' (since it is not real). |
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| Wichita | Jan 26 2005, 01:16 PM Post #6 |
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Personal Response I have to say this thread surprised me .... I read about 9 conservative blogs a day and this is the FIRST time I have ever seen a reference to El Salvador. I am curious though ... how does someone "out-terror" people who drag men from cars and behead them on the street or take 60 year old woman (who spent her adult life feeding and caring for the Iraqi people), behead her, cut off her arms and legs, disembowel her and then leave her on the street? End of Personal Response |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:20 PM Post #7 |
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Ask the people of East Timor, El Salvador, Panama, Chile, and several other nations we supported terrorism and dictators in. We don't have the moral high ground on this issue. Except that most of the American public was unaware of these situations due to military/CIA censorship. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:21 PM Post #8 |
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^^^ The Sisko, Do you really believe that we (the U.S.) support terrorism? |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:24 PM Post #9 |
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Ever hear of the Contras? The school of the Americas? http://www.irtfcleveland.org/ |
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| Wichita | Jan 26 2005, 01:24 PM Post #10 |
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Personal Response I see you have no interest in discussing this seriously. *Sigh* Too bad .... By all means, don't let facts get in the way of a good anti-American conspiracy. :rolleyes: End of Personal Response |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:27 PM Post #11 |
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The Sisko, Yes, I have heard of them. I don't think your point makes too much sense, however. |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:28 PM Post #12 |
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Don't try to discuss something when you can simply dismiss someone's point of view out of hand and make fun of them vindictively. So nice to talk to you again. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:29 PM Post #13 |
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^^^ Fine. BTW, you need to give Rose more credit than that.
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 26 2005, 01:32 PM Post #14 |
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I am sick and tired of being called anti-American for telling the truth about the situation regarding our foreign policy during the Cold War. Are you going to deny that the United States (as well as the USSR) supported terrorists to overthrow opposite ideology regimes and replaced them with repressive puppet governments? This is historic fact. Bury your head in the sand if you must, but these things happened. I understand that some of these things were necessary, but to deny that they happened altogether shows me your perspective very well. http://free.freespeech.org/americanstatete...yofTerror2.html http://www.bookmasters.com/clarity/b0023.htm |
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| Fesarius | Jan 26 2005, 01:37 PM Post #15 |
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The Sisko, I have no idea whom you are addressing--Rose, or the great Fesarius? |
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