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| Is this a smart idea?; Democrats use former Klansman to debate | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 25 2005, 09:40 AM (318 Views) | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 25 2005, 09:40 AM Post #1 |
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Democrats are using Senator Robert Byrd to question Condoleezza Rice today, before her Senate confiramation as Secretary of State. Robert Byrd, from West Virginia, is a former ranking member of the Ku Klux Klan. Is this a smart move on the Democrat's part? Having a Kluxer question a black woman? |
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| somerled | Jan 25 2005, 09:55 AM Post #2 |
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one of your freinds Bill? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 25 2005, 10:11 AM Post #3 |
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self-edited for reasons that it was too funny for the target |
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| Intrepid2002 | Jan 25 2005, 10:24 AM Post #4 |
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Is Condaleeza going to be appointed to the position of Secretary of State because she's black and/or because she's a woman? No, I don't think so. If she's going to be appointed I hope it's because she a well qualified person for the job and all decisions should be based on her qualifications, experience and the direction where she wants to take foreign policy as a Secretary of State. It's just sad to me that some people still can't look beyond race and gender and have to resort to such rhetoric to muddy the waters. And that goes for both parties. I see it as a Senator fiercely opposed to the Iraq war questioning an apointee who obviously is one of it's architects. Not as a Klansman questioning a black woman. It is my personal opinion that Senator Byrd's history in regards to race is indeed a sad one. Obiviously the people of WV hold him in high esteem to keep voting for him. That's their call. Just as the people of SC continued to vote for Thurmond when he was alive and the people of Mississippi continue to vote for Lott. It's all a matter of your own personal values and opinions. |
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| Wichita | Jan 25 2005, 10:43 AM Post #5 |
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What does Lott have to do with discussion? All Lott did was express appreciation for one part of Thurmond's life - pretty much the same thing that you did for Byrd. Although I disgree with both of you, the inclusion of Lott on the list would seem to me to be an example of the double standard at work here. A Democratic senator is a "fierce opponent to the war" and his days as a Klansman are irrelevant to his opposition to a black woman becoming 4th in line to the Presidency but a Republican senator with no Klan history is suspect. (And let me reinforce this - I really dislike Lott. Let's just be honest about what he did.) As to Byrd and Boxer taking the lead .... Of course, it is despicable. I sent an e-mail to Senator Harry Reid several days ago expressing my displeasure and actually just got online to send a e-mail to Senators Voinivich and DeWine from Ohio. If Senator Boxer sincerely cared about determining Dr. Rice's fitness for the job, she should have used her time during the committee hearings to ask Dr. Rice at least one question. Instead she used the time to "scold" Dr. Rice and, when Rice had the temerity to call her on her statements, Boxer complained that it was she who was attacked. The committee who had the responsibility for making the recommendation did so with a vote of 16-2 - which can hardly be considered "close:. Again, I'm stunned that the party of "women and minorities" is engaging in this exercise. :rolleyes: End of Personal Response |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 25 2005, 10:45 AM Post #6 |
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And what was that part of Thurmond's life that Lott was he showing appreciation for? I believe it was his stance on segregation. |
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| Wichita | Jan 25 2005, 10:47 AM Post #7 |
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Personal Response Then you would be wrong .... End of Personal Response |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 25 2005, 10:50 AM Post #8 |
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A quick retrospective of Trent Lott's political career reveals a man openly hostile to the politics of inclusion. By Tim Dickinson December 13, 2002 Tools EmailE-mail article PrintPrint article Related Articles * The Diddly Awards * The Diddly Awards: Honoring Our Do-Nothing Congress Backtalk * E-mail the editor 1968 -- Begins his political career as administrative assistant to US Rep. William M. Colmer, a one-time Dixiecrat and staunch segregationist. 1972 -- Elected to the US House of Representatives, taking over Colmer's seat--with his mentor's blessing--as a Republican. 1978 -- Introduces bill restoring Jefferson Davis' U.S. citizenship. 1980 -- At a rally for Ronald Reagan in Jackson, Miss., Lott praises Thurmond much as he will 22 years later. "You know if we had elected this man 30 years ago, we wouldn't be in the mess we are today." 1981 -- Intervenes at the US Supreme Court to defend the tax-exempt status of Bob Jones University in South Carolina, under review because the school openly discriminates against any student "engaged in an interracial marriage or known to advocate interracial marriage or dating." "Racial discrimination does not always violate public policy." 1983 -- Votes against making the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.'s birthday a national holiday. "Look at the cost involved in the Martin Luther King holiday and the fact that we have not done it for a lot of other people that were more deserving." 1984 -- In an interview with Southern Partisan magazine, Lott explains why he opposed expanding the Voting Rights Act. "They are still trying to exact Reconstruction legislation that is just not fair." 1984 -- In a speech to the Sons of Confederate Veterans in Biloxi, Mississippi, Lott sells the Party of Lincoln. "The spirit of Southern Civil War leader Jefferson Davis lives in the 1984 Republican platform." 1988 -- Elected to the US Senate. 1992 -- Delivers a keynote address to the Council of Conservative Citizens, the successor to the segregationist White Citizens' Councils of the 1960s. "The people in this room stand for the right principles and the right philosophy. Let's take it in the right direction, and our children will be the beneficiaries." 1996 -- Votes no on the Employment Non-Discrimination Act (ENDA), which would have prohibited job discrimination based on sexual orientation. He argues: "Its goal is not fairness for individuals. Its goal is social revolution.... ENDA is part of a larger and more audacious effort to make the public accept behavior that most Americans consider dangerous, unhealthy, or just plain wrong." 1997 -- Chosen by Senate Republicans to be Majority Leader. 1997 -- In an interview with Time, Lott acknowledges that he supported segregation while a student at the University of Mississippi. "Yes, you could say that I favored segregation then. I don't now... The main thing was, I felt the federal government had no business sending in troops to tell the state what to do." 1997 -- When asked why his name was included among informants and other "state actors" in the sealed files of the Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission -- a state segregationist spy agency -- Lott replies awkwardly: "I don't have the foggiest idea. I've never heard such a thing and never was involved in any way and don't have any idea. I suspect that even if it is true, I mean that could involve, you know, preachers, newspaper reporters, whatever. I really don't know anything about it." It is later revealed that Lott had written a letter to Sovereignty Commission director W. Webb Burke in 1969 on behalf of Colmers. Lott expressed his gratitude for a "resolution passed by your commission commending the Mississippi congressional delegation for their interest in requesting a full-scale investigation in the mysterious death" of a white marine in Vietnam. The marine had allegedly been shot by minority soldiers for wearing a Mississippi flag on his fatigues. 1998 -- CCC spokesman Mark Cerr tells the Washington Times: "Trent Lott is one of our members. He's been a member for a long time." 1998 -- Asked whether homosexuality is a sin, Lott replies: "Yes, it is." He goes on to compare gays to alcoholics and kleptomaniacs, but says, "You should not try to mistreat them or treat them as outcasts." 1999 -- Lott refuses to allow a Senate hearing on the nomination of James Hormel, a gay man, to be Ambassador to Luxembourg. 1999 -- When Lott's longstanding ties to the CCC become a minor scandal, Lott spokesman John Czwartacki tells reporters: "This group harbors views which Senator Lott firmly rejects. He has absolutely no involvement with them either now or in the future" 2000 -- Lott Votes no on expanding hate crimes to include those based on sexual orientation. Czwartacki explains: "Our point is that every crime is a hate crime." 2001 -- Lott is the only senator to vote against the confirmation of Judge Roger Gregory, who became the first ever black judge in the US Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. Nov 8, 2002 -- In an interview about immigration on FoxNews, Bill O'Reilly asks Lott: O'REILLY: Why not back up the Border Patrol with the military, whether it's National Guard or straight troops? Why not do it? LOTT: Well, I think we should do it. O'REILLY: Do you really? LOTT: ...Oh, absolutely. O'REILLY: You're the first politician I've heard... LOTT: Look, most politicians run around worried about civil libertarians and being sued by the ACLU. Nov 16, 2002 -- The CCC unanimously passes the following resolution praising Lott: WHEREAS Sen. Trent Lott of Mississippi this month publicly and courageously called for placing U.S. troops on the border to protect our country against the invasion of illegal aliens NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Council of Conservative Citizens commends Sen. Lott for his statement and that The Council calls on President Bush to fulfill his constitutional duty and place U.S. troops on the border to halt the invasion of the United States by illegal immigrants. Dec 7 2002 -- At a party celebrating Thurmond's 100th birthday, Lott notes that his home state of Mississippi supported Thurmond's anti-integration candidacy. "We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either." . |
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| Wichita | Jan 25 2005, 10:54 AM Post #9 |
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ADMINISTRATIVE RESPONSE Sisko, when you copy information verbatim from another site, you should credit that site. Please do so now. End of Administrative Response |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 25 2005, 11:14 AM Post #10 |
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http://www.motherjones.com/commentary/colu.../we_243_01.html Sir! Yessir!!!
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| Wichita | Jan 25 2005, 11:24 AM Post #11 |
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Personal Response The fact that we are even discussing the "Lott" tangent proves my point. If Lott is such a bad guy, then Byrd, based on his history, should be too. The fact that we aren't discussing his history and that his continued opposition to a woman who was deemed qualified overwhlemingly by the committee with the responsibility to make the decision is considered OK is proof of the double standard being employed in this situation. End of Personal Response |
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| Dr. Noah | Jan 25 2005, 11:25 AM Post #12 |
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Baited again. You're really good at this. Are you this manipulative normally, or is it reserved only for me? |
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| Wichita | Jan 25 2005, 11:31 AM Post #13 |
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Personal Response I'm laughing with you on this one .... that was funny. If you notice, I made the same point in my response to Intrepid. I will push people to defend their position (which is a form of manipulation) and I have occasionally commented on a badly worded comment (which is more teasing than manipulation), but generally no. (Still not discussing Byrd, I see .... :chin:) End of Personal Response |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 25 2005, 11:56 AM Post #14 |
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I heard that Robert Byrd was a wizard under the sheets!!! (You don't know how long I've been sitting on that one!!!) |
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| benetil | Jan 25 2005, 12:37 PM Post #15 |
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The guy shouldn't even hold elected office. What have the people of West Virginia been thinking? Senator Byrd must deliver some incredible PORK to his constituents. Disgraceful. Since he (Byrd) is a Senator, it is his privilege/responsibility to participate in the confirmation process. But the Senator himself and the Democrat party deserve any winces and double-takes that come their way as a result of a man with Senator Byrd's history questioning Dr. Rice. |
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