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Catholic Church buries aborted babies
Topic Started: Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM (1,283 Views)
Dr. Noah
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:rolleyes: Euthanasia is what is called mercy killing as some of my examples were about. If a fetus is so deformed that the doctors says he doesn't know how long it can live, and it would be in pain for it's entire life, one can make the moral decision whether to give it a chance at this life or another (as some people believe in reincarnation).
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The Sisko
Jan 25 2005, 12:45 PM
:rolleyes:  Euthanasia is what is called mercy killing as some of my examples were about.  If a fetus is so deformed that the doctors says he doesn't know how long it can live, and it would be in pain for it's entire life, one can make the moral decision whether to give it a chance at this life or another (as some people believe in reincarnation).

Why cant I do that with my deformed 2 year old? or Chris Reed?
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Dr. Noah
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Do they have a terminal condition which causes them to live in dire pain each minute of their lives?
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The Sisko
Jan 25 2005, 12:48 PM
Do they have a terminal condition which causes them to live in dire pain each minute of their lives?

Hypothetically yes
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Dr. Noah
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Concretely,

http://www.aidslaw.ca/Maincontent/otherdoc...ary1995/212.htm
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The Sisko
Jan 25 2005, 12:51 PM

How does that answer the questions?

Why is wrong for me to kill my otherwise healthy grandmother, or my two year old deformed child and not wrong to abort a fetus?
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If you kill a living being for any reason it is murder in our society.


Highlights are mine.

Dante - you wrote the above statement. Here is the definition of murder from Dictionary.com

Murder

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.

v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
To kill (another human) unlawfully.
To kill brutally or inhumanly.
To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.

I have highlighted the key words in the definition. They are unlawfully, premeditated, malice, brutal and inhumane.

Surely you don't feel that all killings come under these definitions. If you did you would have to declare that you no longer believe we should be in Iran - after all by your definition of killing "for any reason" then the soldiers there are murderers. Thank goodness the legal definition is not as judgemental as yours.
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Dr. Noah
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Why don't you actually read the article?

The link is the actual laws regarding euthanasia.
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Minuet
Jan 25 2005, 12:56 PM
Dandandat
 
If you kill a living being for any reason it is murder in our society.


Highlights are mine.

Dante - you wrote the above statement. Here is the definition of murder from Dictionary.com

Murder

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.

v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
To kill (another human) unlawfully.
To kill brutally or inhumanly.
To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.

I have highlighted the key words in the definition. They are unlawfully, premeditated, malice, brutal and inhumane.

Surely you don't feel that all killings come under these definitions. If you did you would have to declare that you no longer believe we should be in Iran - after all by your definition of killing "for any reason" then the soldiers there are murderers. Thank goodness the legal definition is not as judgemental as yours.

No I don’t think "all" killings fall under those definitions. but if a fetus is alive and one aborts it then they do fall under those definitions.
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Sisko - you have linked to a Canadian site. It has nothing to do with American laws which vary from state to state.
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Dandandat
Jan 25 2005, 12:58 PM
Minuet
Jan 25 2005, 12:56 PM
Dandandat
 
If you kill a living being for any reason it is murder in our society.


Highlights are mine.

Dante - you wrote the above statement. Here is the definition of murder from Dictionary.com

Murder

The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice. Slang. Something that is very uncomfortable, difficult, or hazardous: The rush hour traffic is murder.
A flock of crows. See Synonyms at flock1.

v. mur·dered, mur·der·ing, mur·ders
v. tr.
To kill (another human) unlawfully.
To kill brutally or inhumanly.
To put an end to; destroy: murdered their chances.
To spoil by ineptness; mutilate: a speech that murdered the English language.
Slang. To defeat decisively; trounce.

I have highlighted the key words in the definition. They are unlawfully, premeditated, malice, brutal and inhumane.

Surely you don't feel that all killings come under these definitions. If you did you would have to declare that you no longer believe we should be in Iran - after all by your definition of killing "for any reason" then the soldiers there are murderers. Thank goodness the legal definition is not as judgemental as yours.

No I don’t think "all" killings fall under those definitions. but if a fetus is alive and one aborts it then they do fall under those definitions.

I am not making any personal judgement here.

But the current laws do not agree with you. Abortion is currently not "unlawful"
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The Sisko
Jan 25 2005, 12:57 PM
Why don't you actually read the article?

The link is the actual laws regarding euthanasia.

I have they do not answer my questions. Maybe I am reading them wrong, answer my questions by using them.
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Jan 25 2005, 04:54 PM
Wichita - I am thoroughly confused with your response.

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Again, an divergence of opinion between tradition and individual choice... I don't agree that one necessarily is the same as the other. The Holocaust victims were of all ages, economic and educational backgrounds, and nationalities. I have no idea what they individually believed.


Explain to me why if you have no idea what they believed then what gives anyone the right to even try and define it after thier death.


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Given that you were the one telling me what they believed, how could I possibly respond to that?

Also, Mormons are not attempting to define it. You are the one telling me that you know what they believed. :shrug:

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Like all churches - the members therein need to understand that they should only act upon those people who consent to be acted upon. This is the cause of the upset in Jewish circles over the baptisms.


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The people who stayed with the bodies after 9/11 did not insist that everyone be buried immediately. They only stayed with the bodies so that the Jewish bodies would not be neglected. The prayers and meditations were not said over any individual bodies and no one gave a Jewish burial to bodies that could not be identified.


Neither did the Catholics in the article we are discussing. In fact, it doesn't say that it was a Catholic ceremony. That has been an assumption we've been making.
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Dr. Noah
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I must object to this. For someone who will never be faced with such a difficult decision to label someone a murderer for something that is a difficult and often traumatic experience is offensive and inhumane. You have no idea what people go through who are faced with this decision and you are a self righteous prick for judging people in a situation you could not possibly know anything about. :realmad:

This is why I never discuss this issue because people like you resort to name calling and your holier than thou attitude. I am finished discussing this issue.
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Minuet
Jan 25 2005, 01:00 PM
I am not making any personal judgement here.

But the current laws do not agree with you. Abortion is currently not "unlawful"

Why is abortion not unlawful? what makes it lawful, what is the argument that puts the law on the books. Why isn’t a fetus protected under the constitution?
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