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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM (1,285 Views) | |
| Coda | Jan 24 2005, 07:36 PM Post #46 |
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Thank God I'm not Catholic. I have morals. |
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| Dwayne | Jan 24 2005, 07:45 PM Post #47 |
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Not attempting to put words in your mouth, but if a person argues a fetus is just a lump of tissue ... in other words, not human ... then how can they protest it's not a member of a particular religion and therefore a religious rite not performed on said fetus? Seems very convoluted logic. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 24 2005, 07:49 PM Post #48 |
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Twilight, I too am not a Catholic. However, why would you write something like that? Do you truly believe all Catholics have no morals? |
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 24 2005, 07:54 PM Post #49 |
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I am not even going to defend you this time. Because with those comments, you pretty much confirmed what everyone else was saying about you on this thread. Both sexist and anti-Catholic comments in less than one week. You aren't making a very good impression Twilight. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 24 2005, 07:55 PM Post #50 |
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^^^ I don't think I would even write that as a joke, and some of my jokes can be quite tasteless. |
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| Minuet | Jan 24 2005, 07:58 PM Post #51 |
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Where to begin
First - Twilight - take your bigotry and stuff it. This happened at one church. There is no proof that the action taken reflects the belief or morals of the church at large Second - Dwayne - I specifically posted the link to the updated article because it indicated that what occurred happened not only to aborted fetuses, but also to a number of fetuses that had miscarried through no fault of the parents. The reason I wanted to show this is because I want to take this discussion beyond the regular fights we have here on abortion and focus on the imposition of one's beliefs on others. That is the real issue here and proof of that is the use of non aborted fetuses in the burial. Wichita - I hope I have not offended you. I do try to understand everyone's point of view. That is why I was hesitant to post the article. When I did post it I did not pass judgement, I only asked for your thoughts on it. I am interested in hearing how the article mistated Mormon beliefs. I understand the difficulty in checking up on every name submitted. The problem obviously lies with some individuals who have submitted names they should not, as opposed to being the fault of the church at large. Similar to how I have stated that I would not blame all Roman Catholics for what has occured here. |
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| Dwayne | Jan 24 2005, 08:27 PM Post #52 |
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I don't think it's disconsonant for the Catholic Church to bury both aborted and miscarried fetuses ... children. From the point of view of the Church, how both groups died matters, but probably not as much as the fact that a baby is dead in both cases. As such, the Church is attempting to see that those lives lost are disposed of with respect instead of disposed of like scraps in a slaughter house. And as for imposing beliefs, if one believes that a lump of tissue was removed from the mothers body, then how can the burying of that lump of tissue be construed as an imposition of belief? It's just a lump of tissue ... what would a person with the world view care if someone decided to bury it instead of burn it? |
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| Minuet | Jan 24 2005, 08:36 PM Post #53 |
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Dwayne - I believe that parents in hospital that have lost a baby through a miscarriage are given a choice on how to dispose of the body. If the mortuary is not following through on thier wishes then they have performed a grave wrong. The church that followed through and accepted the children is just as wrong. If the parents did not specifically give permission to the church to bury the bodies then they do not have the right to bury the bodies. Seems simple to me. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 24 2005, 08:45 PM Post #54 |
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Great, another anti-Catholic bigot. EDIT: Sorry... just read his/her comment at the top of the page and replied. I didn't see the commentary from my fellow posters following that one. Personally, as a Catholic, I would like an apology. |
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| Coda | Jan 24 2005, 08:51 PM Post #55 |
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I would reply, but the religious emotion here is running this thread. And only one person asked, why I said that. I have already been condemned, over a quip. |
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| Fesarius | Jan 24 2005, 08:56 PM Post #56 |
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^^^ I have not condemned you. But I do want to know what would lead you to that conclusion about all Catholics. |
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| Minuet | Jan 24 2005, 09:36 PM Post #57 |
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Yes - you have been condemned. Your quips are not funny. I am not Catholic. I am not even Christian, I am Jewish. Think about it. Could you get away with saying Jews have no morals and expect to escape without being called an anti-semite. Could you say it about Blacks and expect to escape without being called a bigot? What makes it ok to say it about Catholics or any other Christian? |
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| Dandandat | Jan 24 2005, 09:50 PM Post #58 |
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Since you are not the fetus I cant see how they are pushing anything on you. Unless as you pointed out, the fetus where from miscarriages, and I already said that changed things. But is it common for miscarriage victims to got to an "abortion" clinic? |
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| Dandandat | Jan 24 2005, 10:03 PM Post #59 |
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Then they are murders. Because they are excepting that their fetus is alive and they are killing it. They may be killing it because they cant take care of it, but that does not make it right. Some people cant take care of their elderly grandmother either, are they right if they kill them? If you believe it was alive, and killed it - you are a murder. Some times people get hurt and have a default time living, is it ok to kill them? If Christopher Reed’s wife felt he would be better off could see have killed him after his accident. I am not passing judgment, they are making their own judgment I am just holding them to it. There are only two possibilities, a fetus is “alive” or it is not. If it is alive and we kill it we are murderers, if it is not alive and we kill it we are no murderers. The argument for pro choice is that the woman caring the baby gets to decided if she believes that the Festus is alive or not (because science at this time can not answer the question adequately). If a woman decides that the fetuses is not alive and that abortion is right she has every right under the argument for pro choice to follow that actions. If a woman believes the child is alive yet still goes thought with an abortion is violating the argument for pro choice and she a murderer. |
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| Dandandat | Jan 24 2005, 10:08 PM Post #60 |
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That’s a good question and I will admit that I did not think of that situation. Is it common for woman in this situation to go to "abortion" clinics? I would think woman with complications are going to go to a hospital for treatment not an "abortion" clinic. |
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