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Catholic Church buries aborted babies
Topic Started: Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM (1,286 Views)
Dr. Noah
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How do you know what people think when they make this decision?

Are you absolutely certain that you're right about that?

And how hypocritical for you to say that only ceratin people are allowed to feel a certain way. That speaks volumes.
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Dandandat
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Jan 24 2005, 05:29 PM
How do you know what people think when they make this decision?


How do you know I didnt have to make this decision?

If they feel any other way - they are ether crazy or murders under the argument for abortion.

Lets take it anothere way, explain to me how it can be any othere way then I what have stated (with out saying it just is, or that I dont understand)

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Are you absolutely certain that you're right about that?
No I am not absolutely certain about it, but I have yet to hear you(or any one) give any other explanation – so I am going to go with what I said.

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And how hypocritical for you to say that only ceratin people are allowed to feel a certain way.  That speaks volumes.
I am not the one being hypocritical, I am the one making people stand up to their convictions. If they feel a fetuses is not alive that is their right, I respect it - I even agree with it. but to then turn around and say they feel something for it is lunacy. Tell me how it is not and I will consider your argument.
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Guys - I really don't think the real issue here is abortion. The real issue is the imposition of a particular religion on others who don't believe in it.

Dante - as an athiest how do you feel about that. Maybe not as strongly as I do, as it is much easier for a non believer to just shrug everything off as superstition that is just making the people doing the burials feel better. However, as a person who has a religion I am quite offended because this type of action is an attempt to devalue other religions.

I think that the mortuary should be sued for allowing this to happen and that the bodies should be exhumed and reburied in a non sectarian cemetary. The Catholic church should also take a long hard look at the leadership of this particular parish.
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Fesarius
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News like this greatly saddens me. It's one of the reasons I no longer watch it on the t.v.
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Dr. Noah
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What if someone decided they couldn't adequately take care of the child given their current situation and believe they would have a better shot with another family. (Some people actually believe in reincarnation, amazing, but true) They may regret their decision, but feel it was the right one.

What if they were told the fetus is already so deformed that they would have a very difficult time living, if they were to survive at all?

Personally, I wouldn't pass judgement on someone without knowing thier situation and personal beliefs. But that's just me.
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Neither would I. Whenever we are expecting a child, we have every intention of having it, and caring for it, no matter what occurs (excepting death, obviously) during birth.
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Dante,

Would you consider it murder for a woman to have her pregnancy terminated due to the high probability that the pregnancy could harm or kill her? The situation being, she thought the fetus was alive, but it was an either or situation (the life of the fetus or her life).

I wouldn't. I would consider it self-defense. She should still be allowed to grieve without being called a murderer or having her right to do so questioned.

Incidentally, some of the women who had fetuses aborted (in the article first mentioned by CV6) did so for the very same reasons. They certainly have a right to grieve and are not murderers in my opinion.
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Dr. Noah
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And as someone who has had to endure the death of a child, I wouldn't want someone performing thier own religious rights without my consent. Not to mention would very much resent someone telling me whether or not I could mourn. :angry:
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Give it another ten years. I believe there will come a day when it will be illegal to have a child.
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Dr. Noah
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I wouldn't want to have to get permission to have a child, but there are far too many people who do without properly caring for them. That, and the fact that the population continues to rise geometrically, is cause for concern.
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"I submit you've taken the first step."
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Jan 24 2005, 09:40 PM
Unless they were using it as a political attention getting device to sway public opinion on the subject, then I think some people would mind.

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Given that they have been doing this for 8 years with no publicity, it would seem unlikely.

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One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.


Or maybe because the Church recognizes that these were once living beings with a soul (Church doctorine) and refused to ignore thier deaths or their eternal souls.

So it would be a moral imperative not politically motivated. Maybe.


ANOVA
Not politically motivated, not motivated at all really.
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Jan 24 2005, 10:20 PM
Wichita - I was undecided whether to link this next article. I hope you are not offended by my posting this, but this is something that was a big controversy when it was first discovered. It involves the "baptisms" of Jewish victims of the holocaust by members of the Mormon Church.
Mormon Baptisms

How do you feel about this?

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Am I offended by an article that describes my personal religous beliefs in the same way that the Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan describes the intelligence and worthiness of African-Americans? Yes, the article was extremely offensive and mistated Mormon beliefs a number of times.

The ISSUE is a different story. The Mormon Church does provide a genealogical service, but when it received the complaint discussed, it did make the agreement. It is, however, a difficult agreement to maintain.

What people fail to realize is that EVERY church member can submit to the file in question (IGI). Anybody can submit records for their own extended family at any time. Since probably 95% of the geanological workers of the church are volunteer (I am one), it is difficult to constantly check records of tens of millions of names to make sure that none are Jewish. It is far easier to play "gotcha" by having a list of specific names to look up.

Not everyone is willing to try and understand another's faith though ... :shrug:

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Not everyone is willing to try and understand another's faith though

And then you have people like me. I have the Book of Mormon right next to all of our bibles in our library. :)
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