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Catholic Church buries aborted babies
Topic Started: Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM (1,279 Views)
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Church Plans to Bury the Ashes of Fetuses From Abortion Clinic

This Hern person sounds like Somerled in his rhetoric.

I don't see what is wrong in giving unborn children a proper burial. I found this quote interesting

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These fanatics simply cannot leave other people alone with their most intimate sorrow."


I bolded the interesting part. If the someone beleives that an unborn child isn't alive, then why do they feel sorrow for killing it? Unless they have regrets, then I'd think they'd like to have they're child given a proper burial

This is also interesting
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Hern said he terminated many wanted pregnancies due to serious fetal anomalies


Why would you kill of a baby that you want because it might not be normal? Does that mean that if a 32 year old is in an accident, and has brian damage, making them unable to take care of themselves, we should just kill them? What if someone get alzimers? just kill them because they are unable to take care of themselves anymore? You wouldn't do it to a grown person, what makes it okay to do it to the unborn?
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One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.

What right does this church, or any other, have to perform a religious rite on those who are not members of said religion?
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Could be a political move.
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Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM
One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.

What right does this church, or any other, have to perform a religious rite on those who are not members of said religion?

Yeah, but in World War II, you had Catholic priests giving last rights to Prodeseints. And Prodisents giving funerals for Catholics. I bet there were Rabbi's giving prayer services for dead Christians I really doubt God would mind. They're all going to the same place and believe in the same God. That's the way I see it anyhow.
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Jan 24 2005, 09:53 AM
Could be a political move.

I think it is probably a little of both, political and religous
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Jan 24 2005, 10:56 AM
Minuet
Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM
One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.

What right does this church, or any other, have to perform a religious rite on those who are not members of said religion?

Yeah, but in World War II, you had Catholic priests giving last rights to Prodeseints. And Prodisents giving funerals for Catholics. I bet there were Rabbi's giving prayer services for dead Christians I really doubt God would mind. They're all going to the same place and believe in the same God. That's the way I see it anyhow.

During the war there were chaplins of all stripes. If any performed cross religious ceremonies it was only with the express permission of the person involved or thier family. And they were respectful enough to try and do it according to the religion of the person they were performing the rite on, not thier own religion.

Also - it is not all the same G-d to athiests, who do not believe in G-d at all.

As a Jew I would be furious to know that Jesus was mentioned at the funeral of a loved one who was also Jewish.

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Jan 24 2005, 10:02 AM
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Jan 24 2005, 10:56 AM
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Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM
One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.

What right does this church, or any other, have to perform a religious rite on those who are not members of said religion?

Yeah, but in World War II, you had Catholic priests giving last rights to Prodeseints. And Prodisents giving funerals for Catholics. I bet there were Rabbi's giving prayer services for dead Christians I really doubt God would mind. They're all going to the same place and believe in the same God. That's the way I see it anyhow.

During the war there were chaplins of all stripes. If any performed cross religious ceremonies it was only with the express permission of the person involved or thier family. And they were respectful enough to try and do it according to the religion of the person they were performing the rite on, not thier own religion.

Also - it is not all the same G-d to athiests, who do not believe in G-d at all.

As a Jew I would be furious to know that Jesus was mentioned at the funeral of a loved one who was also Jewish.

Okay, point taken. I understand. I guess if I was dying and needed consolence, I wouldn't mind whether the person was Jewish or Christian, since we believe in the Same God. I consider Judism as the 'older brother' to Christianity.

This is probably off topic, but why, when you spell God, do you do it G-d? I've noticed Cal Thomas does it too, and he's also Jewish. Is it a custom? Please, explain it to me, as someone who doesn't know any Jews personaly.

EDIT: about your point about athiest not believing in God. Won't they be surprised when they go to heaven and meet Him ;)
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^^^We are commanded not to take G-d's name in vain. Therefore we do not write out the word (even though it is not his name :shrug: )

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EDIT: about your point about athiest not believing in God. Won't they be surprised when they go to heaven and meet Him  ;)


They might be - but it is thier right to not believe and to not have any religious rites forced upon them.
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^^^ Thanks.

And I agree, atheists are free to believe or not believe what they want. I can't force them to believe the same way as I do. I'll debate it with them, but can't put a gun to thier heads and force them to convert. Who knows, they may be right. I guess that what faith is all about.
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No, everyone must become a Roman Catholic!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

(Domini non sum dignus!)

This message brought to you by the Catholic Church, and our new motto: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE! :D
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Jan 24 2005, 10:48 AM
No, everyone must become a Roman Catholic!

RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!

(Domini non sum dignus!)

This message brought to you by the Catholic Church, and our new motto: RESISTANCE IS FUTILE!  :D

better hope somerled doesn't see this. He'll probably believe it. ;)
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That is the goal of the Roman Catholic Church though is it not?

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Jan 24 2005, 11:11 AM
EDIT: about your point about athiest not believing in God. Won't they be surprised when they go to heaven and meet Him ;)

quite surprised.
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Jan 24 2005, 04:02 PM
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Jan 24 2005, 10:56 AM
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Jan 24 2005, 09:49 AM
One problem I would have with this is that I would assume that most of the fetuses involved did not come from Catholic mothers.

What right does this church, or any other, have to perform a religious rite on those who are not members of said religion?

Yeah, but in World War II, you had Catholic priests giving last rights to Prodeseints. And Prodisents giving funerals for Catholics. I bet there were Rabbi's giving prayer services for dead Christians I really doubt God would mind. They're all going to the same place and believe in the same God. That's the way I see it anyhow.

During the war there were chaplins of all stripes. If any performed cross religious ceremonies it was only with the express permission of the person involved or thier family. And they were respectful enough to try and do it according to the religion of the person they were performing the rite on, not thier own religion.

Also - it is not all the same G-d to athiests, who do not believe in G-d at all.

As a Jew I would be furious to know that Jesus was mentioned at the funeral of a loved one who was also Jewish.

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After the destruction of the World Trade Center, the bodies and body parts were taken to a nearby morgue until identified. Permission was granted for the Jewish rites to be given.

Because of the time issues relative to the rites, somebody was there 24/7. Since a Jewish women's university was the only place close enough to get there on the Sabbath within those guidelines, allowances were made to allow the women to perform the rite for males (apparently men can do it for both, but women only for women normally ???)

Since the bodies had not yet been identified, the rites were said for all.

While I don't recognize the particular rite, I do appreciate the concern. The action was taken in addition to whatever action the family ultimately chose to take. Had they been required instead of what the family wanted, then I too would be outraged, but it wasn't.

They chose to show respect - in the way they knew how - for the dead.

End of Personal Response

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Jan 24 2005, 10:53 AM
That is the goal of the Roman Catholic Church though is it not?

Not any more than any other church, I would think.

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