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UN beleives that natural disaters aren't natural; Blames America for them
Topic Started: Jan 21 2005, 02:41 PM (1,004 Views)
Hoss
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The Sisko
Jan 26 2005, 05:02 PM
Amazing that people don't think tons and tons of fossil fuels burned day and night wouldn't have any effect. :rolleyes:

I just don't think that it has a significant effect compared to natural phenomenon, like vocanic activity, naturally occuring fires, solar activity, &c. There are constantly these phenomenon occuring in the world and the far surpass human activity by orders of magnitude.
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Dr. Noah
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Usually these naturally occurring activities don't last several hundred years.
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Hoss
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The Sisko
Jan 26 2005, 05:17 PM
Usually these naturally occurring activities don't last several hundred years.

Yes, they last several million years.
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Dr. Noah
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Really, where is this fire that has been going for several million years?

And the volcano erupting for a few million years. That has to be something to see.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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The Sisko
Jan 26 2005, 04:02 PM
Amazing that people don't think tons and tons of fossil fuels burned day and night wouldn't have any effect. :rolleyes:

If they were, why don't we rush to put out forest fires in national forests immediately? Why don't we try to find some way to cap volcanoes? Why don't we find a way to tell the ocean to stop releasing that evil water vapor into the atmosphere?

Darned ocean!
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gvok
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How much of the CO2 does the "natural world" release versus the amount man creates? Also, is there a certain amount of CO2 that can naturally be present before the temerature rises? Could the amount man creates push us past a tipping point theoretically?

BTW : I'm not knowledgable about this subject. I'm just asking.
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Dandandat
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gvok
Jan 26 2005, 05:56 PM
How much of the CO2 does the "natural world" release versus the amount man creates? Also, is there a certain amount of CO2 that can naturally be present before the temerature rises? Could the amount man creates push us past a tipping point theoretically?

BTW : I'm not knowledgable about this subject. I'm just asking.

I was thinking the same thing.
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The Sisko
Jan 26 2005, 05:25 PM
Really, where is this fire that has been going for several million years?

And the volcano erupting for a few million years.  That has to be something to see.

The Earth has been continually volcanic for eons. Naturally occuring brush and forest fires have been occuring for eons. Natural gas of a variety of sorts has been seeping from the ground and ocean floor for eons. There are many processes by which the oceans and earth tends to absorb these changes that have not been adequately explained in science.

Accoring to what I have read from NASA studies and the like in places like Scientific American are that the natural world (as if man is not a part of nature) produces several orders of magnitude more CO2 and other 'greenhouse' gasses than human industrial activity.

Also, the earth continues to have a very dynamic environment that regularly changes throughout millions of years of history with or with out man. Why do we assume that all of the sudden it must be changing because of man, even though it has been changing all this time with out us? Kind of arrogant and presumptuous, if you ask me?

Perhaps the sun rises because I get up every morning. Sure, it may have risen many times before I was born, but nowadays, I can only assume that it continues to rise because I do. ;)
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OK lets break this down. The evidence shows the world is warming and the average global temperature is rising. The theory is that human activity is causing that rise in temperature to be far more rapid than anything known to have happened before.

The reasoning is that the natural greenhouse effect of the earth, which keeps the temperature around 15 degrees centigrade warmer than it would be, is being enhanced by a build up of greenhouse gases. We know that the natural greenhouse effect keeps us warmer by preventing a proportion of infrared radiation from escaping in space. As greenhouse gas concentrations rise so does the amount of infared radition keep within the atmosphere and so the warmer it gets.

Since records began Carbon Dioxide levels have increased from around 280 ppm to 360ppm, Methane levels 700 ppb to 1700 ppb and nitrous oxide from 275 ppb to 310 ppb.

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I feel the UN is useless....so why do we bother with it?
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Dandandat
Jan 26 2005, 06:02 PM
gvok
Jan 26 2005, 05:56 PM
How much of the CO2 does the "natural world" release versus the amount man creates?  Also, is there a certain amount of CO2 that can naturally be present before the temerature rises?  Could the amount man creates push us past a tipping point theoretically?

BTW : I'm not knowledgable about this subject.  I'm just asking.

I was thinking the same thing.

Links- looking at CO and other greenhouse gas balances in the atmosphere quantitatively.

A wealth of information and science available - I'm sure you'll find the answer to your question therein.

ie
Feely's Study (text)
Average annual budget of CO2
Global Air-Sea CO2 Disequilibrium
Anthropogenic CO2 Inventories

Just a little bit of science .

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Admiralbill_gomec
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I doubt it...
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gvok
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What is it that you doubt AB?
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Fesarius
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Yes, they last several million years.

38957,

Please check your facts. That should read a billion, trillion, gazillion years. :)
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Jan 27 2005, 08:39 AM
What is it that you doubt AB?

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I'm sure you'll find the answer to your question therein.


That was what I doubted.
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