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US Presidential Inauguration; January 20, 2005
Topic Started: Jan 19 2005, 05:34 PM (1,042 Views)
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Admiral
Did anyone here about this? :rolleyes:

I'm not thrilled about another Bush term, but it's also time to accept that it's reality and unite as a country for the next 4 years.

As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a :rolleyes: from me too. (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid. I can see where our priorities are... :ermm: )

As for security, every inaugural parade is highly secured so only some security has been added.
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^^^I agree with you first :rolleyes:

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'Sorry, but I don't recognize you(bush)'," says Kauffman.


I wonder how Kauffman would feel if Kerry had won and there was a 'Turn Your Back On Kerry' and a group just as large as his and others where saying they did not recognize the new president. Its so sad that we have such a country of babies now days that misuse and weaken the tool of protest.

Its not only sad its kind of angering - this country has a method of donning things. How do these people have the gall to take it upon themselves to reject our ways because they don’t like the outcome. The arrogance in this act is skinning.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Jan 20 2005, 10:16 AM
Did anyone here about this?  :rolleyes:

I'm not thrilled about another Bush term, but it's also time to accept that it's reality and unite as a country for the next 4 years.

As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a  :rolleyes:  from me too.  (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid.  I can see where our priorities are... :ermm: )

As for security, every inaugural parade is highly secured so only some security has been added.

Yeah, I heard about that. I also heard about the anarchists who want to stir up trouble. They are nothing but a bunch of crybaby sore losers.

Did this happen at any Clinton inauguaral? No.

It is hard for a nation to come together when a bunch of crybabies continue such idiocy as "He's not MY president" and "not one thin dime" and the blue wrist bands. They need to butch up and face facts. Their guy didn't get in. Too bad. It happens. People need to get their priorities straight. Are they Americans first, or not. If not, there's the border.

I loathed Bill Clinton, but he was my president AND my commander-in-chief. If I could live through the Clinton Administration, then the ABB crowd can grow up and become Americans again. This childishness angers me.

Once again, IE, aside from security, ALL OF THIS IS PRIVATE DONATION MONEY.

The initial $15 million for tsunami relief was an immediate grant so nations affected could get easier access to supplies through credit. I think that last comment was a bit petty.
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Jan 20 2005, 04:16 PM
As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a :rolleyes: from me too. (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid. I can see where our priorities are... :ermm: )


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{Sarcasm on} Darn that Bush, after all. The Indonesians are still tallying the death toll in their own country nearly a month later, but Bush SHOULD have had a perfect understanding of the scope of the disaster in less than 3 days. :rolleyes: {Sarcasm off}

Minuet: Based on what little I've seen of past innagurations, I would say it is roughly equivalent when considered for inflation.

One issue - even before the speech. I liked the songs personally and really liked the singers, but I could understand if they generated some complaint. A prayer is a prayer - it's hard to alter it without doing away with it. Song have a wide range, however. Given the purpose of the day, there are a number of patriotic songs that could have been used. The choice of hymns - although perhaps not traditional ones - wasn't necessary.

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Bush's speech was decent. However, I wouldn't consider it inspirational.

I was more moved by the Oath of Office. (no sarcasm intended)
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Jan 20 2005, 11:16 AM
Did anyone here about this? :rolleyes:

I'm not thrilled about another Bush term, but it's also time to accept that it's reality and unite as a country for the next 4 years.

As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a :rolleyes: from me too. (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid. I can see where our priorities are... :ermm: )

As for security, every inaugural parade is highly secured so only some security has been added.

Guess it is too cold there for them to drop their pants , bend over and wave their bottoms at him as he goes past.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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^^^^I guess that's normal behavior (or shall I call it "behaviour") in the Antipodes, Somerled?

Without a doubt, you are the sorest of losers. I'll bet you are a spoilsport, too.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Here is the transcript of the inaugural address, for those who didn't see/hear it:

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Vice President Cheney, Mr. Chief Justice, President Carter, President Bush, President Clinton, reverend clergy, distinguished guests, fellow citizens:

On this day, prescribed by law and marked by ceremony, we celebrate the durable wisdom of our Constitution, and recall the deep commitments that unite our country. I am grateful for the honor of this hour, mindful of the consequential times in which we live, and determined to fulfill the oath that I have sworn and you have witnessed.

At this second gathering, our duties are defined not by the words I use, but by the history we have seen together. For a half century, America defended our own freedom by standing watch on distant borders. After the shipwreck of communism came years of relative quiet, years of repose, years of sabbatical - and then there came a day of fire.

We have seen our vulnerability - and we have seen its deepest source. For as long as whole regions of the world simmer in resentment and tyranny - prone to ideologies that feed hatred and excuse murder - violence will gather, and multiply in destructive power, and cross the most defended borders, and raise a mortal threat. There is only one force of history that can break the reign of hatred and resentment, and expose the pretensions of tyrants, and reward the hopes of the decent and tolerant, and that is the force of human freedom.

We are led, by events and common sense, to one conclusion: The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.

America's vital interests and our deepest beliefs are now one. From the day of our Founding, we have proclaimed that every man and woman on this earth has rights, and dignity, and matchless value, because they bear the image of the Maker of Heaven and earth. Across the generations we have proclaimed the imperative of self-government, because no one is fit to be a master, and no one deserves to be a slave. Advancing these ideals is the mission that created our Nation. It is the honorable achievement of our fathers. Now it is the urgent requirement of our nation's security, and the calling of our time.

So it is the policy of the United States to seek and support the growth of democratic movements and institutions in every nation and culture, with the ultimate goal of ending tyranny in our world.

This is not primarily the task of arms, though we will defend ourselves and our friends by force of arms when necessary. Freedom, by its nature, must be chosen, and defended by citizens, and sustained by the rule of law and the protection of minorities. And when the soul of a nation finally speaks, the institutions that arise may reflect customs and traditions very different from our own. America will not impose our own style of government on the unwilling. Our goal instead is to help others find their own voice, attain their own freedom, and make their own way.

The great objective of ending tyranny is the concentrated work of generations. The difficulty of the task is no excuse for avoiding it. America's influence is not unlimited, but fortunately for the oppressed, America's influence is considerable, and we will use it confidently in freedom's cause.

My most solemn duty is to protect this nation and its people against further attacks and emerging threats. Some have unwisely chosen to test America's resolve, and have found it firm.

We will persistently clarify the choice before every ruler and every nation: The moral choice between oppression, which is always wrong, and freedom, which is eternally right. America will not pretend that jailed dissidents prefer their chains, or that women welcome humiliation and servitude, or that any human being aspires to live at the mercy of bullies.

We will encourage reform in other governments by making clear that success in our relations will require the decent treatment of their own people. America's belief in human dignity will guide our policies, yet rights must be more than the grudging concessions of dictators; they are secured by free dissent and the participation of the governed. In the long run, there is no justice without freedom, and there can be no human rights without human liberty.

Some, I know, have questioned the global appeal of liberty - though this time in history, four decades defined by the swiftest advance of freedom ever seen, is an odd time for doubt. Americans, of all people, should never be surprised by the power of our ideals. Eventually, the call of freedom comes to every mind and every soul. We do not accept the existence of permanent tyranny because we do not accept the possibility of permanent slavery. Liberty will come to those who love it.

Today, America speaks anew to the peoples of the world:

All who live in tyranny and hopelessness can know: the United States will not ignore your oppression, or excuse your oppressors. When you stand for your liberty, we will stand with you.

Democratic reformers facing repression, prison, or exile can know: America sees you for who you are: the future leaders of your free country.

The rulers of outlaw regimes can know that we still believe as Abraham Lincoln did: "Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves; and, under the rule of a just God, cannot long retain it."

The leaders of governments with long habits of control need to know: To serve your people you must learn to trust them. Start on this journey of progress and justice, and America will walk at your side.

And all the allies of the United States can know: we honor your friendship, we rely on your counsel, and we depend on your help. Division among free nations is a primary goal of freedom's enemies. The concerted effort of free nations to promote democracy is a prelude to our enemies' defeat.

Today, I also speak anew to my fellow citizens:

From all of you, I have asked patience in the hard task of securing America, which you have granted in good measure. Our country has accepted obligations that are difficult to fulfill, and would be dishonorable to abandon. Yet because we have acted in the great liberating tradition of this nation, tens of millions have achieved their freedom. And as hope kindles hope, millions more will find it. By our efforts, we have lit a fire as well - a fire in the minds of men. It warms those who feel its power, it burns those who fight its progress, and one day this untamed fire of freedom will reach the darkest corners of our world.

A few Americans have accepted the hardest duties in this cause - in the quiet work of intelligence and diplomacy … the idealistic work of helping raise up free governments … the dangerous and necessary work of fighting our enemies. Some have shown their devotion to our country in deaths that honored their whole lives - and we will always honor their names and their sacrifice.

All Americans have witnessed this idealism, and some for the first time. I ask our youngest citizens to believe the evidence of your eyes. You have seen duty and allegiance in the determined faces of our soldiers. You have seen that life is fragile, and evil is real, and courage triumphs. Make the choice to serve in a cause larger than your wants, larger than yourself - and in your days you will add not just to the wealth of our country, but to its character.

America has need of idealism and courage, because we have essential work at home - the unfinished work of American freedom. In a world moving toward liberty, we are determined to show the meaning and promise of liberty.

In America's ideal of freedom, citizens find the dignity and security of economic independence, instead of laboring on the edge of subsistence. This is the broader definition of liberty that motivated the Homestead Act, the Social Security Act, and the G.I. Bill of Rights. And now we will extend this vision by reforming great institutions to serve the needs of our time. To give every American a stake in the promise and future of our country, we will bring the highest standards to our schools, and build an ownership society. We will widen the ownership of homes and businesses, retirement savings and health insurance - preparing our people for the challenges of life in a free society. By making every citizen an agent of his or her own destiny, we will give our fellow Americans greater freedom from want and fear, and make our society more prosperous and just and equal.

In America's ideal of freedom, the public interest depends on private character - on integrity, and tolerance toward others, and the rule of conscience in our own lives. Self-government relies, in the end, on the governing of the self. That edifice of character is built in families, supported by communities with standards, and sustained in our national life by the truths of Sinai, the Sermon on the Mount, the words of the Koran, and the varied faiths of our people. Americans move forward in every generation by reaffirming all that is good and true that came before - ideals of justice and conduct that are the same yesterday, today, and forever.

In America's ideal of freedom, the exercise of rights is ennobled by service, and mercy, and a heart for the weak. Liberty for all does not mean independence from one another. Our nation relies on men and women who look after a neighbor and surround the lost with love. Americans, at our best, value the life we see in one another, and must always remember that even the unwanted have worth. And our country must abandon all the habits of racism, because we cannot carry the message of freedom and the baggage of bigotry at the same time.

From the perspective of a single day, including this day of dedication, the issues and questions before our country are many. From the viewpoint of centuries, the questions that come to us are narrowed and few. Did our generation advance the cause of freedom? And did our character bring credit to that cause?

These questions that judge us also unite us, because Americans of every party and background, Americans by choice and by birth, are bound to one another in the cause of freedom. We have known divisions, which must be healed to move forward in great purposes - and I will strive in good faith to heal them. Yet those divisions do not define America. We felt the unity and fellowship of our nation when freedom came under attack, and our response came like a single hand over a single heart. And we can feel that same unity and pride whenever America acts for good, and the victims of disaster are given hope, and the unjust encounter justice, and the captives are set free.

We go forward with complete confidence in the eventual triumph of freedom. Not because history runs on the wheels of inevitability; it is human choices that move events. Not because we consider ourselves a chosen nation; God moves and chooses as He wills. We have confidence because freedom is the permanent hope of mankind, the hunger in dark places, the longing of the soul. When our Founders declared a new order of the ages; when soldiers died in wave upon wave for a union based on liberty; when citizens marched in peaceful outrage under the banner "Freedom Now" - they were acting on an ancient hope that is meant to be fulfilled. History has an ebb and flow of justice, but history also has a visible direction, set by liberty and the Author of Liberty.

When the Declaration of Independence was first read in public and the Liberty Bell was sounded in celebration, a witness said, "It rang as if it meant something." In our time it means something still. America, in this young century, proclaims liberty throughout all the world, and to all the inhabitants thereof. Renewed in our strength - tested, but not weary - we are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom.

May God bless you, and may He watch over the United States of America.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 11:36 AM
The initial $15 million for tsunami relief was an immediate grant so nations affected could get easier access to supplies through credit. I think that last comment was a bit petty.

Wichita
Jan 20 2005, 11:42 AM
{Sarcasm on} Darn that Bush, after all.  The Indonesians are still tallying the death toll in their own country nearly a month later, but Bush SHOULD have had a perfect understanding of the scope of the disaster in less than 3 days.   :rolleyes: {Sarcasm off}


I will reply to these just this once because I don't want to hijack the thread onto this tangent. Every other country that contributed was in exactly the same position as us. Yet many initially, and without global and public pressure I might add, granted much higher amounts. It's pretty sad when we are the wealthiest nation in the world and that's the best we can volunteer.

AB, which comment are you considering petty - the one about only some security being added? If so, why is it petty? Your comment implied that security added much cost. I'm questioning just how much of that cost is due to security. It's a relevant question.

Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 11:36 AM
Once again, IE, aside from security, ALL OF THIS IS PRIVATE DONATION MONEY.
So? Bush's fund-raisers solicited the money. It's not like people just submitted the amount on their own initiative. Why was it so important for him to raise $40-50 million (which was the fund-raising goal) for one little inauguration? Maybe he should have worked so hard at tsunami relief funds (among other things)...
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Admiralbill_gomec
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What a pantload.

Did you whine about the cost of Clinton's second inaugural, which after inflation cost more than Bush's second? I'll bet not. I'll bet you didn't even think about it.

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As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a    from me too.  (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid.  I can see where our priorities are...  )


I thought this incredibly petty. You don't know the details as to how tsunami aid was initially organized, so you are comparing apples to watermelons.

At first WE DID NOT KNOW THE DEGREE OF DEVASTATION of the tsunami. Freeing up immediate credit for those nations in need was the RIGHT thing to do. We knew that this wouldn't be a fraction of the sum total, which didn't include the day-to-day operations of an aircraft carrier group (about $10 million per day). Just because another nation offered more at first means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!! Get it? Do I have to paint a picture for you with lots of pretty colors? Stop this "making issues out of non-issues" crap.

No, I think you are being PETTY. PETTY! Move the f*** on and get over this. We live in the greatest nation on Earth and you lefties can only bitch and moan about how the end of the world is coming. IT ISN'T! Just cut it out. :angry:
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Jan 20 2005, 05:20 PM
Bush's speech was decent. However, I wouldn't consider it inspirational.

I was more moved by the Oath of Office. (no sarcasm intended)

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I agree - it was pretty bland.

I thought Bush's energy in responding to the Oath of Office may have had something to do with Rehnquist's health. He sounded as if his breath was somewhat labored (although that could have been the cold ... ). Bush sounded like "Let's get through this and let the poor guy sit down.

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Will you still paint me a picture with lots of pretty colors? ;)
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Agreed... Rehnquist didn't sound good at all. The feedback made him sound almost mechanical.
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Jan 20 2005, 06:01 PM
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As for the price tag on this inauguration, it gets a    from me too.  (Compare that to the initial $15 million that was pledged for Tsunami aid.  I can see where our priorities are...  )


I thought this incredibly petty. You don't know the details as to how tsunami aid was initially organized, so you are comparing apples to watermelons.

At first WE DID NOT KNOW THE DEGREE OF DEVASTATION of the tsunami. Freeing up immediate credit for those nations in need was the RIGHT thing to do. We knew that this wouldn't be a fraction of the sum total, which didn't include the day-to-day operations of an aircraft carrier group (about $10 million per day).

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I have to agree.

Within one week of the devastation, US helicopters were delivering aid to the hardest hit regions of the tsunami. Getting food, water, and medical care to the victims as fast as possible was the most important thing.

Getting that carrier group in postion so rapidly was no mean feat and the decision had to have to been made in the earliest hours after the disaster in order for them to get there so quickly. For those who don't know, all US carriers are in rotation or are being upgraded on a schedule made years in advance. They are not kept sitting around waiting for disasters to happen. With the Abraham Lincoln on duty in an unexpected area of the world, the schedules for other carrier groups were most likely also changed to reflect this disaster. Getting called to deployment a couple months early or having to serve 8 months at sea instead of 6 my not sound like much, but it can mean a lot if you had planned to be home for the birth of your baby, but now had to miss it. The crews of the Abraham Lincoln's carrier group are not the only seamen sacrificing to help out.

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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 06:03 PM
Agreed... Rehnquist didn't sound good at all. The feedback made him sound almost mechanical.

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After hearing him speak I really expected to see that he was on oxygen.

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