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The Israel/Palestine Troubles
Topic Started: Jan 16 2005, 12:12 AM (1,186 Views)
somerled
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Jan 20 2005, 02:03 PM
I don't want US troops there. I don't think that it is worth it. Maybe when the Palestinians elect some people who want peace with Israel as well as an independent state and they stop supporting and harboring Hamas, but not today, not with my countrymen and not with my money!

I don't think that the UN could do anything effective for Jeruselem, but just screw it up.

If there was truely desire for a peaceful resolution and coexistance on reasonable terms by both sides involved, I believe the US military acting in an unbiased way would be the only force that would stand a chance.

The USA is no longer an unbiassed party in this.

Nor do I believe the USA being involved would be seen in positive light by many in the region, expectially while Bush's regime is in power. (Trust and credibility issues.)
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Jan 20 2005, 04:15 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 01:20 PM
somerled
Jan 19 2005, 08:36 PM
Yes I do. But I am not wrong often.

I'm surprised no one else caught this. Somerlad thinks he's right most of the time. I guess that make anybody that disagrees with him wrong. I had a room mate last year that thought he knew everything. He also thought he was smarter than everyone else. People like that, that think they know every thing, really tick me off. What makes it worse is when the person doesn't know what they're talking about. I think Somerlad needs his ego adjusted.

You know who Somerled reminds me of?

Cliff Clavin from "Cheers!"

Who ?
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Jan 20 2005, 02:20 PM
somerled
Jan 19 2005, 08:36 PM
Yes I do. But I am not wrong often.

I'm surprised no one else caught this. Somerlad thinks he's right most of the time. I guess that make anybody that disagrees with him wrong. I had a room mate last year that thought he knew everything. He also thought he was smarter than everyone else. People like that, that think they know every thing, really tick me off. What makes it worse is when the person doesn't know what they're talking about. I think Somerlad needs his ego adjusted.

On day when you grow up and maybe become a parent , you'll be in a position to comment on that , until then butt out . That comment has nothing to do with my ego , it was in regards to parenting.
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Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
The Sisko
Jan 20 2005, 12:50 PM
Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?

I fully remember East Timor, but the GENOCIDE in Rwanda while the UN just sat on their hands and let 900,000 people be murdered simply infuriated me!

The UN would do the world a favor by dissolving. They are like mammary glands on a boar.

Well , I don't recall the USA interceding either.

Let me guess the reasons for that,
* blacks killing blacks
* non-christians ?
* bugger all oil involved.
* bugger all american economic interests at risk.

I'm not sure but didn't the USA profaricate and stall and act as an obstacle to the UN interceding while the genocide was happening , much the same , more recently , as it has for Sudan ?

How about Cambodia , and Timor and Irian Jaya (West Papua under Indonesian control) ?
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Jan 20 2005, 04:34 PM
News flash: There WAS LITTLE IF ANY "Ethnic Cleansing" in Bosnia. That's why.

Why are we still there?

Wasn't there ? That wasn't what we were told .

You wouldn't happen to have ethnic and family ties with the ones who were doing the ethnic cleansing and persecuting in that nasty little conflict ?
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Jan 20 2005, 04:50 PM
Yes, a certain body count does need to exist. Is one person, killed by a gang of another ethnic group a valid reason to invade a country?

Don't be a fool.

Bill Clinton thought he had a quick "in and out" to build a legacy upon. He was wrong.

Yes, we are still there... mostly National Guard units... and we are involved in ONE conflict right now, and it is not perpetual.

Depends on who that one person is doesn't it ? Say some ethnic group set out to murder the president and succeeded , what do you think the response would be ?

What is the threshhold for persecution of a minority ethnic or religious group to become a genocide ? an ethnic cleansing ?
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 10:46 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 02:20 PM
somerled
Jan 19 2005, 08:36 PM
Yes I do. But I am not wrong often.

I'm surprised no one else caught this. Somerlad thinks he's right most of the time. I guess that make anybody that disagrees with him wrong. I had a room mate last year that thought he knew everything. He also thought he was smarter than everyone else. People like that, that think they know every thing, really tick me off. What makes it worse is when the person doesn't know what they're talking about. I think Somerlad needs his ego adjusted.

On day when you grow up and maybe become a parent , you'll be in a position to comment on that , until then butt out . That comment has nothing to do with my ego , it was in regards to parenting.

However, Fesarius who asked the question, is a parent.

He was giving you a subtle hint, but I guess you missed what he was trying to say.
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Jan 20 2005, 11:31 PM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 10:46 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 02:20 PM
somerled
Jan 19 2005, 08:36 PM
Yes I do. But I am not wrong often.

I'm surprised no one else caught this. Somerlad thinks he's right most of the time. I guess that make anybody that disagrees with him wrong. I had a room mate last year that thought he knew everything. He also thought he was smarter than everyone else. People like that, that think they know every thing, really tick me off. What makes it worse is when the person doesn't know what they're talking about. I think Somerlad needs his ego adjusted.

On day when you grow up and maybe become a parent , you'll be in a position to comment on that , until then butt out . That comment has nothing to do with my ego , it was in regards to parenting.

However, Fesarius who asked the question, is a parent.

He was giving you a subtle hint, but I guess you missed what he was trying to say.

I know Fes has kids. And so answered his question about parenting in my household.

By the way, my dad was inflexible and NEVER admitted when he was wrong or had punished injustly, just like his dad.

The tangent was irrelevent , but I saw no problem with providing a frank answer to it. What of it ?
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 10:00 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:34 PM
News flash: There WAS LITTLE IF ANY "Ethnic Cleansing" in Bosnia. That's why.

Why are we still there?

Wasn't there ? That wasn't what we were told .

You wouldn't happen to have ethnic and family ties with the ones who were doing the ethnic cleansing and persecuting in that nasty little conflict ?

1. Of course you believe everything you hear... :rotfl: Just because you are told something, that means it is true?

2. You really are a jerk, aren't you? (Actually, the word I'm thinking would probably get me banned). I'm Irish, Einstein. I have no connection to Eastern Europe.

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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 09:56 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 12:50 PM
Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?

I fully remember East Timor, but the GENOCIDE in Rwanda while the UN just sat on their hands and let 900,000 people be murdered simply infuriated me!

The UN would do the world a favor by dissolving. They are like mammary glands on a boar.

Well , I don't recall the USA interceding either.

Let me guess the reasons for that,
* blacks killing blacks
* non-christians ?
* bugger all oil involved.
* bugger all american economic interests at risk.

I'm not sure but didn't the USA profaricate and stall and act as an obstacle to the UN interceding while the genocide was happening , much the same , more recently , as it has for Sudan ?

How about Cambodia , and Timor and Irian Jaya (West Papua under Indonesian control) ?

You OBVIOUSLY pick and choose what you want to respond to. I also blamed the Clinton Administration for not lifting a finger to stop the Rwandan genocide... a$$hole.
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somerled
Jan 21 2005, 03:56 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 12:50 PM
Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?

I fully remember East Timor, but the GENOCIDE in Rwanda while the UN just sat on their hands and let 900,000 people be murdered simply infuriated me!

The UN would do the world a favor by dissolving. They are like mammary glands on a boar.

Well , I don't recall the USA interceding either.

Personal Response

So now you think the United States is in Africa? :huh:

Or is it that you think the United States IS the United Nations?

Given that you complain that the United States should NEVER be called upon to send troops into various areas of the world why is it you ALSO complain that the United States DIDN'T send troops into every area?

Your post is pretty incomprehensible.

Clinton was wrong not to send peacekeepers to Rwanda when the United States requested them. So were all the countries who failed to provide peacekeepers.

After 6 months the United Nations only got a very small portion of the number of troops they requested and that number was already too small. When the small contingent of Belgium (or was it Dutch) pulled out when several were killed, the Canadians were left to fend for themselves when the killings started. They were heroic doing what they could.

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Let me guess the reasons for that,
* blacks killing blacks
* non-christians ?
* bugger all oil involved.
* bugger all american economic interests at risk.


Well, since we were at the time were also engaged in helping non-Christians where no oil was involved and American interests were not at risk, 3 out of 4 were unlikely. (I doubt America's "first 'Black' President" would say the other was the reason either.)

Perhaps you are thinking of this list because it was Australia's reasons for not sending peacekeepers?

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I'm not sure but didn't the USA profaricate and stall and act as an obstacle to the UN interceding while the genocide was happening , much the same , more recently , as it has for Sudan ?


Well, since the United States has been demanding the United Nations take action in the Sudan for MONTHS (if not years) and the United Nations has not done so because they have yet to come to a conclusion on how many people have to die before it is "genocide", the answer to that question would be "no".

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somerled
Jan 21 2005, 04:00 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:34 PM
News flash: There WAS LITTLE IF ANY "Ethnic Cleansing" in Bosnia. That's why.

Why are we still there?

Wasn't there ? That wasn't what we were told .

You wouldn't happen to have ethnic and family ties with the ones who were doing the ethnic cleansing and persecuting in that nasty little conflict ?

Personal Response

No, that WASN'T what we were told, but apparently it is sometimes OK to lie about the reasons for going to war.

And I will save you the trouble - my folks never got to the European continent. I am Irish, English, and Welsh with a dash of Canadian Native American.

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somerled
Jan 21 2005, 12:15 AM
I know Fes has kids. And so answered his question about parenting in my household.

By the way, my dad was inflexible and NEVER admitted when he was wrong or had punished injustly, just like his dad.

The tangent was irrelevent , but I saw no problem with providing a frank answer to it. What of it ?

It's amazing how we follow in our parents footsteps sometimes.

And sad what we pass on to our kids this way.

And as a parent I am qualified to say this.
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Jan 21 2005, 08:09 AM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 10:00 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:34 PM
News flash: There WAS LITTLE IF ANY "Ethnic Cleansing" in Bosnia. That's why.

Why are we still there?

Wasn't there ? That wasn't what we were told .

You wouldn't happen to have ethnic and family ties with the ones who were doing the ethnic cleansing and persecuting in that nasty little conflict ?

1. Of course you believe everything you hear... :rotfl: Just because you are told something, that means it is true?

2. You really are a jerk, aren't you? (Actually, the word I'm thinking would probably get me banned). I'm Irish, Einstein. I have no connection to Eastern Europe.

I thought we didn't flame here , or are you personally exempt from the Terms of Use.

Keep your abuse to yourself - idiot.
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Jan 21 2005, 08:54 AM
somerled
Jan 21 2005, 03:56 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 20 2005, 04:14 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 12:50 PM
Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?

I fully remember East Timor, but the GENOCIDE in Rwanda while the UN just sat on their hands and let 900,000 people be murdered simply infuriated me!

The UN would do the world a favor by dissolving. They are like mammary glands on a boar.

Well , I don't recall the USA interceding either.

Personal Response

So now you think the United States is in Africa? :huh:

Or is it that you think the United States IS the United Nations?

Given that you complain that the United States should NEVER be called upon to send troops into various areas of the world why is it you ALSO complain that the United States DIDN'T send troops into every area?

Your post is pretty incomprehensible.

Clinton was wrong not to send peacekeepers to Rwanda when the United States requested them. So were all the countries who failed to provide peacekeepers.

After 6 months the United Nations only got a very small portion of the number of troops they requested and that number was already too small. When the small contingent of Belgium (or was it Dutch) pulled out when several were killed, the Canadians were left to fend for themselves when the killings started. They were heroic doing what they could.

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Let me guess the reasons for that,
* blacks killing blacks
* non-christians ?
* bugger all oil involved.
* bugger all american economic interests at risk.


Well, since we were at the time were also engaged in helping non-Christians where no oil was involved and American interests were not at risk, 3 out of 4 were unlikely. (I doubt America's "first 'Black' President" would say the other was the reason either.)

Perhaps you are thinking of this list because it was Australia's reasons for not sending peacekeepers?

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I'm not sure but didn't the USA profaricate and stall and act as an obstacle to the UN interceding while the genocide was happening , much the same , more recently , as it has for Sudan ?


Well, since the United States has been demanding the United Nations take action in the Sudan for MONTHS (if not years) and the United Nations has not done so because they have yet to come to a conclusion on how many people have to die before it is "genocide", the answer to that question would be "no".

End of Personal Response

What are you going on about ?

I not speculate on the reasons for Australia not intervening in these, but I would guess the government at the time was not interested . Howard's mob I think it was, though Howard was probably treasurer at the time.

By the way, time to pull ABG back into line .
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