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The Israel/Palestine Troubles
Topic Started: Jan 16 2005, 12:12 AM (1,188 Views)
somerled
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That was a flame ? Bugger me, and I thought it was a plane statement of fact .

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Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes.

In case I've missed your answer to any similar question - do you think the Palestinians have a right to a fully sovereign homeland and nation of their own that includes all the occupied territories ?

If not - what territories do you think should be 100% under Palestinian authority as part of a hypothetical and fully sovereign Palestinian nation state ?
(I think all the occupied territories should be included in any Palestinian nation state.)

Any one in favour of UN and / or NATO international peacekeepers being deployed to enforce a peaceful resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian Troubles and if need be to ensure board security ?
(I don't think American troops should be included because their presence would only inflame the situation.)
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Hoss
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UN troops being stationed failed to prevent the 6 day war. Egypt just told them to leave and they did.

US troops would be about the only country with the capability to do the job and credibility to be trusted to see it through.
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somerled
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Jan 20 2005, 01:20 PM
UN troops being stationed failed to prevent the 6 day war.  Egypt just told them to leave and they did.

US troops would be about the only country with the capability to do the job and credibility to be trusted to see it through.

That was a long time ago , and people in the region are more inclined to accept the Blue Barrets now. Especially if they have considerable fire power and are willing use their muscle.

I don't think involving the USA's military (in particular on the ground) would be a wise move.
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Dr. Noah
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Why not? People in the Middle East LOVE us!!!
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 01:12 PM
That was a flame ? Bugger me, and I thought it was a plane statement of fact .

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Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes.

In case I've missed your answer to any similar question - do you think the Palestinians have a right to a fully sovereign homeland and nation of their own that includes all the occupied territories ?

If not - what territories do you think should be 100% under Palestinian authority as part of a hypothetical and fully sovereign Palestinian nation state ?
(I think all the occupied territories should be included in any Palestinian nation state.)

Any one in favour of UN and / or NATO international peacekeepers being deployed to enforce a peaceful resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian Troubles and if need be to ensure board security ?
(I don't think American troops should be included because their presence would only inflame the situation.)

I answered 24's original post on the first page of this thread. It plainly states my position on all of these issues.

You ignored my second question :headscratch:
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 06:26 PM
That was a long time ago , and people in the region are more inclined to accept the Blue Barrets now. Especially if they have considerable fire power and are willing use their muscle.


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How many tank divisions does the UN have?

I'm only being partially facetious - it was my understanding that UN peacekeepers were lucky to get weapons at all.

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somerled
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Jan 20 2005, 01:31 PM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 01:12 PM
That was a flame  ?  Bugger me, and I thought it was a plane statement of fact .

Quote:
 
Do you believe Israel has a right to exist?
Yes.

In case I've missed your answer to any similar question - do you think the Palestinians have a right to a fully sovereign homeland and nation of their own that includes all the occupied territories ?

If not - what territories do you think should be 100% under Palestinian authority as part of a hypothetical and fully sovereign Palestinian nation state ?
(I think all the occupied territories should be included in any Palestinian nation state.)

Any one in favour of UN and / or NATO international peacekeepers being deployed to enforce a peaceful resolution to the Israeli/Palestinian Troubles and if need be to ensure board security ?
(I don't think American troops should be included because their presence would only inflame the situation.)

I answered 24's original post on the first page of this thread. It plainly states my position on all of these issues.

You ignored my second question :headscratch:

The answer to Q2 : Yes .

Would you say thing for any future Palestinian Nation State ? - yes means no air raids, no military incursions, no missle attacks . Security is a two way street, it can't be one-way and not the other.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 12:26 PM
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Jan 20 2005, 01:20 PM
UN troops being stationed failed to prevent the 6 day war.  Egypt just told them to leave and they did.

US troops would be about the only country with the capability to do the job and credibility to be trusted to see it through.

That was a long time ago , and people in the region are more inclined to accept the Blue Barrets now. Especially if they have considerable fire power and are willing use their muscle.

I don't think involving the USA's military (in particular on the ground) would be a wise move.

The blue beret's (pardon me for a second... :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: ) couldn't stop a marauding troop of Boy Scouts... they've done such a great job in... hang on, I'll think of somewhere. Wait, I can't.

The UN is unwilling to do ANYTHING except whine and moan and obstruct. Where were they in Rwanda?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 12:12 PM
Bugger me,

Kindly refrain from using obscenity. Some of us know what it means...
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Minuet
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Somerled - that goes without saying.

Tell me - Does Israel fly over Egyptian airspace? Does it run regular raids into Egyptian territory? Does it send missles?

Darn right it doesn't - even though there is ample evidence of Egyptian help to Palestinian terrorists. Why do you ask? Because Israel knows how to honour a peace agreement. And I actually believe the government of Egypt does as well. The help the terrorists get from that country is not governmental.

If you studied history at all you would not be making false allegations about how Israel runs it's affairs.
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Dr. Noah
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Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?
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Hoss
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I don't want US troops there. I don't think that it is worth it. Maybe when the Palestinians elect some people who want peace with Israel as well as an independent state and they stop supporting and harboring Hamas, but not today, not with my countrymen and not with my money!

I don't think that the UN could do anything effective for Jeruselem, but just screw it up.

If there was truely desire for a peaceful resolution and coexistance on reasonable terms by both sides involved, I believe the US military acting in an unbiased way would be the only force that would stand a chance.
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Dr. Noah
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I'm not so sure the U.S. can be unbiased in this case. With the societal/religious ties to Judeo-Christianity and the distrust of Muslims over the past few years, it would probably be much in the favor of Israel and the disadvantage of Palestine.
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somerled
Jan 19 2005, 08:36 PM
Yes I do. But I am not wrong often.

I'm surprised no one else caught this. Somerlad thinks he's right most of the time. I guess that make anybody that disagrees with him wrong. I had a room mate last year that thought he knew everything. He also thought he was smarter than everyone else. People like that, that think they know every thing, really tick me off. What makes it worse is when the person doesn't know what they're talking about. I think Somerlad needs his ego adjusted.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Jan 20 2005, 12:50 PM
Need I remind you of East Timor again AB?

I fully remember East Timor, but the GENOCIDE in Rwanda while the UN just sat on their hands and let 900,000 people be murdered simply infuriated me!

The UN would do the world a favor by dissolving. They are like mammary glands on a boar.
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