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Jihadist terrorists
Topic Started: Jan 10 2005, 07:50 AM (2,290 Views)
Dwayne
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 12:50 AM
You have refused to answer the questions so see above , which I think represents accurately your thinking. Feel free to correct the answers above if they are wrong.

There's a major difference little boy ... I've never expressed anything close to what you've suggested, whereas you routinely excuse attacks against Jews.

Contrary to what you think, I work with and know Muslims people on a personal basis. I've even attended an Islamic wedding. I've never stated anything that was against Muslims in general. The only things I've ever said critical of Muslims were of those fundamentalist Muslims who carry out Jihadist terrorism.

But you ... your words and your attitude are blatantly anti-Semitic and everyone except Jeff knows it.
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Dwayne
Jan 20 2005, 01:13 AM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 12:50 AM
You have refused to answer the questions so see above , which I think represents accurately your thinking. Feel free to correct the answers above if they are wrong.

There's a major difference little boy ... I've never expressed anything close to what you've suggested, whereas you routinely excuse attacks against Jews.

Contrary to what you think, I work with and know Muslims people on a personal basis. I've even attended an Islamic wedding. I've never stated anything that was against Muslims in general. The only things I've ever said critical of Muslims were of those fundamentalist Muslims who carry out Jihadist terrorism.

But you ... your words and your attitude are blatantly anti-Semitic and everyone except Jeff knows it.

What's Jeff got to do with it ?

Still dancing about and not answering.

Prove antisemetism on my part. (Links not just snippets that can taken out of context and twisted , which is your favourate approach, it's a matter of record.)
You keep making allegations but never come up with the goods , that is very defamatory.
You attempt at diverting attention doesn't cut it sonny.
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Dwayne
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Jan 20 2005, 01:23 AM
What's Jeff got to do with it ?

Still dancing about and not answering.

Prove antisemetism on my part. (Links not just snippets that can taken out of context and twisted , which is your favourate approach, it's a matter of record.)
You keep making allegations but never come up with the goods , that is very defamatory.
You attempt at diverting attention doesn't cut it sonny.

What's that little boy? Don't you get it? Did your momma drop you on your head?

You and Jeff ... you two are simpatico ... bosom buddies. If it ever turned out that you and Jeff were the same person, I would not be the least bit surprised.

And as I told you little boy, until you are prepared to modify your attitude, not address your questions to a group with which I don't identify and not ask leading questions, then I see no need to answer any question you've posed.

Oh little boy, I'll prove your anti-Semitism as soon as you prove I provide quotes that are "out of context and twisted". But you know, Minuet especially knows and most everyone else knows that you have made statements that were unarguably anti-Semitic.
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Dwayne
Jan 20 2005, 07:50 AM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 01:23 AM
What's Jeff got to do with it ?

Still dancing about and not answering.

Prove antisemetism on my part. (Links not just snippets that can taken out of context and twisted , which is your favourate approach, it's a matter of record.)
You keep making allegations but never come up with the goods , that is very defamatory.
You attempt at diverting attention doesn't cut it sonny.

What's that little boy? Don't you get it? Did your momma drop you on your head?

You and Jeff ... you two are simpatico ... bosom buddies. If it ever turned out that you and Jeff were the same person, I would not be the least bit surprised.

And as I told you little boy, until you are prepared to modify your attitude, not address your questions to a group with which I don't identify and not ask leading questions, then I see no need to answer any question you've posed.

Oh little boy, I'll prove your anti-Semitism as soon as you prove I provide quotes that are "out of context and twisted". But you know, Minuet especially knows and most everyone else knows that you have made statements that were unarguably anti-Semitic.

Still no answers. Since you haven't corrected these
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So I guess we can all infer that your attitudes and answersare

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. No
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes

they must be correct representation of your attitudes towards muslims and people who don't agree with your pink coloured world.

Still no evidence. Heresay, and lies on your part is not evidence. Produce evidence or decease.
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How about you answer your own questions? That would be amusing.
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Dwayne
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 07:58 AM
Still no evidence. Heresay, and lies on your part is not evidence. Produce evidence or decease.

You're a Jew hating anti-semite and you know it.
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Hoss
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This is getting downright mean (and old). How about we talk about something else, like the thread topic?
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Dwayne
Jan 20 2005, 08:06 AM
somerled
Jan 20 2005, 07:58 AM
Still no evidence. Heresay, and lies on your part is not evidence. Produce evidence or decease.

You're a Jew hating anti-semite and you know it.

Incorrect - repeating that tired and unsubstantiated allegation is not presenting evidence. Where is your proof ?

Answer the questions. This is central to the reasons why you are, have been, engaging in a hate campaign against the Mulsims and their faith.
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What best describes the Jihadist Mohammedans fighting from the Sudan to Indonesia?

True Freedom Fighters
Incorrigible thugs Thugs
Other

So far, Incorrigible thugs and Other are tied for the lead with 9 votes a piece.
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Jan 20 2005, 08:20 AM
What best describes the Jihadist Mohammedans fighting from the Sudan to Indonesia?

True Freedom Fighters
Incorrigible thugs Thugs
Other

So far, Incorrigible thugs and Other are tied for the lead with 9 votes a piece.

Yes those are the numbers.

Indicates some polarisation in the views of those who responded perhaps.
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Hoss
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Well, others is divided into several different categories, I suppose.
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somerled
Jan 20 2005, 08:32 AM
38957
Jan 20 2005, 08:20 AM
What best describes the Jihadist Mohammedans fighting from the Sudan to Indonesia?

True Freedom Fighters
Incorrigible thugs Thugs
Other

So far, Incorrigible thugs and Other are tied for the lead with 9 votes a piece.

Yes those are the numbers.

Indicates some polarisation in the views of those who responded perhaps.

Not really a polarization in the traditional sense (e.g. strongly agree on one end and strongly disagree on the other).

Most of the “Others” for the most part lean toward the “thugs” point of view, with an exception or clarification added to the label.


Even the one “true freedom fighter” vote was made tongue and cheek.
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Dwayne
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Jan 20 2005, 08:14 AM
This is getting downright mean (and old).  How about we talk about something else, like the thread topic?

Agreed.

Someone had mentioned earlier that they wished I had provided more selection on my poll, but I had a reasons for keeping it limited.

The first option I provided was "True Freedom Fighter". I think this is self explanatory.

The second item, "Incorrigible thug", might require explanation for it to make sense to others.

First lets look the definition of incorrigible...
• Incapable of being corrected or reformed: an incorrigible criminal.
• Firmly rooted; ineradicable: incorrigible faults.
• Difficult or impossible to control or manage: an incorrigible, spoiled child.

Now lets look at thug...
• A cutthroat or ruffian; a hoodlum.
• an aggressive and violent young criminal

To me the most important word in the phrase incorrigible thug is the word incorrigible. This adjective describes so well the nature of Jihadists.

I think nothing proves this point more than the case of Salman Rushdie. Here's a man ... an author ... whose only offense to Islam was to speak his mind and renounce his faith. The only problem is that those firmly rooted in the concepts of Islamic fundamentalism considered Rushdie's renunciation an executable offense, and concurrent with that belief, issued a fatwa for Salman Rushie's death.

Having happened back in the late 80's, some may claim that this is ancient history, but recent news proves the supposed crimes of Mr. Rushdie are still fresh in the minds of the incorrigible thugs.
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A FATWA against the author Salman Rushdie was reaffirmed by Iran’s spiritual leader last night in a message to Muslim pilgrims.

British officials anxiously played down comments after Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, told Muslims making the annual pilgrimage to Mecca that Rushdie was an apostate whose killing would be authorised by Islam, according to the Iranian media.

His words came during a lengthy tirade against “Western and Zionist capitalists” and the US-led War on Terror.
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somerled
Jan 19 2005, 04:26 AM
This is for the resident hardliners .

(Adapted from another thread)



You asked for my answers - even though I am not a hardliner (For proof read my responses to 24 in the other thread)

I offer them here. I have no reason to refuse to answer them because, despite the lies you attempt to spread I am not a bigot. I have nothing to hide.

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1) Do you dislike or hate Mulsims ?


No in the least. In fact I have Muslim friends (and I am respectful enough to spell the word Muslim correctly :rotfl: )

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2) Do you distrust, dislike or hate people because they are Mulsims ?


Absolutely not. See answer to no. 1

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3) Do you think that all Mulsims are potentially evil as a consequence of their beliefs and their faith ?


Once again please see response to no. 1

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4) Do you think Mulsims have a right to defend themselves ?


Of course. All people have this right. A better question of course is "Can you call it self defence if you are the aggressor?"

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5) Do you condone the torture and killing innocent Muslims as revenge ?


Of course not. Which is why I am glad this has not occured. Tell me - do you believe "innocent" muslims have been tortured and killed. And have any "revenge" killings taken place. If so, I require proof of these occurences. The key words here are innocent and revenge.

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6) Do you hold the view that the lives of Mulsims are less valuable than Americans ?


No I do not. And this question is just silly in that "Americans" and "Muslims" are not mutually exclusive. Are you even aware that many Americans are Muslim?

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7) Do you hold the view that anyone who opposes the actions and views of Bush's regime,  and is unsupportive of current American foreign policy is a coward and traitor if they happen to be Americans ?


No - and I have stated so many times on this board. In fact I have come down on posters who have expressed this view.

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8)  Do you hold the view that any foreigner who opposes the actions and views of Bush's regime,  and is unsupportive of current American foreign policy is a coward, is engaging in anti-americanism,  and is by default supporting America's enemies ?


No - I would be a traitor to my own government if I felt this way.

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One for everyone else:

Do you believe Bush should be sanctioned for misleading the Senate, Congress and the American people regards the reasons for engaging in warfare against Iraq and invading Iraq ?


You don't believe I belong in "everybody else" but since my responses prove you wrong I will answer this. I lived in the US during the buildup to the invasion of Iraq. I was scared at the time of the thought of living in a country officially at war. However - I never once questioned the motives or reasons behind the war. I saw the daily coverage from within. Not from the outside. I had no reason, and still see no reason, to believe that anyone was mislead. Maybe it is because I am capable of looking beyond sensationalist headlines and actually reading up on the issue myself. I understood ALL the reasons for going to Iraq.

Now it is my turn. I gave yes and no answers to every one of your questions. You owe me the same. Go to the other thread and answer 24's questions and the two I posed today.

If you refuse then I will do what you have done to Dwayne (and what I have refrained from doing up to this point) and I will assume what your answers are.



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Min, I am going to answer Somerled’s questions as well so he can’t refuse to answer my questions on the basis that I did not reciprocate.

somerled @ Jan 19 2005
04:26 AM
1) Do you dislike or hate Mulsims ?

No. I can think of a few individuals that I do not like who happen to be Muslim (e.g. OBL/UBL). However, my dislike for them have to do with their actions...not their religion.

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2) Do you distrust, dislike or hate people because they are Mulsims ?

No

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3) Do you think that all Mulsims are potentially evil as a consequence of their beliefs and their faith ?

No

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4) Do you think Mulsims have a right to defend themselves ?

Yes

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5) Do you condone the torture and killing innocent Muslims as revenge ?

No

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6) Do you hold the view that the lives of Mulsims are less valuable than Americans ?

No

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7) Do you hold the view that anyone who opposes the actions and views of Bush's regime,  and is unsupportive of current American foreign policy is a coward and traitor if they happen to be Americans ?

No

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8)  Do you hold the view that any foreigner who opposes the actions and views of Bush's regime,  and is unsupportive of current American foreign policy is a coward, is engaging in anti-americanism,  and is by default supporting America's enemies ?

No

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One for everyone else:

Do you believe Bush should be sanctioned for misleading the Senate, Congress and the American people regards the reasons for engaging in warfare against Iraq and invading Iraq ?

It has not been proven that Bush misled (at least purposefully) the Senate, Congress and the American people in this regard. So, your question is moot at this point.
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