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Jihadist terrorists
Topic Started: Jan 10 2005, 07:50 AM (2,284 Views)
Minuet
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somerled
Jan 27 2005, 10:43 PM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand. It does not say anywhere that the man was a Jihadist or that he had engaged in any type of terrorism. In fact I have not noticed many Kuwaiti Jihadists. This is an isolated incident.

HOWEVER.........

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Somerled's response

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A bit extreme - but it's part of their culture and while it is not what we would do, honor killings are common in other faiths as well - Hindo and even in some sects of christianity.


I cannot believe your hypocrisy. :jawdrop: You claim to be against violence. You also constantly condemn other religions as superstition. You should be condemning this crime in the strongest words possible using the same language you reserve for other religions. Where are your comments about superstitious nonsense and how it has caused more death and destruction in the world then anything else.

No - this cold blooded henious act you actually condone because it is "part of thier culture"

You truely sicken me when you do this.

Twisting my words again I see.

Where did I say I agree with the act. (I used the word ABUSE to describe act of honour killing , and I was stating a fact , or maybe you missed it.)

When is this thread going to discuss the topic ?

I haven't twisted anything.

You have taken every opportunity on this board to insult Judaism and Christianity. You have condemned Christians as Christofascists. Yet, a barbaric act in the name of Islam is simply "part of thier culture"

Funny thing is your Islamic statement is actually more prejudicial then mine. I at least said that the act is only a perverse misinterpretation of thier real culture. You act as if we should accept it as a mere difference, even if we don't like it.

Do you see the hypocracy of your statement yet???
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2005, 07:48 AM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 04:32 PM
cptjeff
Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM
IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.

Cptjeff - we sure as hell can condemn an act like that.

Besides - if anyone should condemn it Somerled should. With what he has written about other religions I don't see how he can sit there behind his computer and ignore this crap.

Tell me - would you say the Spanish Inquisition should be overlooked because they were just practicing thier culture??? Of course not. No religion allows for this type of perversion. Only a nutcase could try to use "culture" as a justification for a cold blooded murder, especially of one's own child.

The Inquisition was just understood, Min...

Did you mean to write "misunderstood" :rotfl:
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Minuet
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somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
And by the way , Re
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fat lazy butt
where did you get the idea I was fat ?

So you admit to lazy :loling: :loling: :loling:
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Minuet
Jan 28 2005, 09:31 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2005, 07:48 AM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 04:32 PM
cptjeff
Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM
IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.

Cptjeff - we sure as hell can condemn an act like that.

Besides - if anyone should condemn it Somerled should. With what he has written about other religions I don't see how he can sit there behind his computer and ignore this crap.

Tell me - would you say the Spanish Inquisition should be overlooked because they were just practicing thier culture??? Of course not. No religion allows for this type of perversion. Only a nutcase could try to use "culture" as a justification for a cold blooded murder, especially of one's own child.

The Inquisition was just understood, Min...

Did you mean to write "misunderstood" :rotfl:

We all hope so - but then .... ;)
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Minuet
Jan 28 2005, 09:33 AM
somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
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fat lazy butt
where did you get the idea I was fat ?

So you admit to lazy :loling: :loling: :loling:

No .

If I was lazy would I be studying while I am between jobs , or doing tough and demanding courses like physics and another engineering degree (Comp.Eng) concurrently ?

Heck - if I were lazy I would simply collect the dole payment and go fishing every single day of the year and make no effort to find another job or to educate myself.

But thanks for asking.
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Minuet
Jan 28 2005, 08:31 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2005, 07:48 AM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 04:32 PM
cptjeff
Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM
IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.

Cptjeff - we sure as hell can condemn an act like that.

Besides - if anyone should condemn it Somerled should. With what he has written about other religions I don't see how he can sit there behind his computer and ignore this crap.

Tell me - would you say the Spanish Inquisition should be overlooked because they were just practicing thier culture??? Of course not. No religion allows for this type of perversion. Only a nutcase could try to use "culture" as a justification for a cold blooded murder, especially of one's own child.

The Inquisition was just understood, Min...

Did you mean to write "misunderstood" :rotfl:

Yes, thank you! I even read it (for spelling) before I clicked. That's what I get for posting before coffee has infused my brain.

Had to get up early... I had a fender bender (actually a suspension bender) yesterday and needed to tow the truckster to a local dealer.
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cptjeff
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Just a quick question- did anyone bother to read my post before reponding to it? I mean, accually listening and absorbing what I said?

Min, you said that we can condem them. Baised on what? do our Moral values and theirs coincide on every point? I can save you the trouble of finding out- No. They do not.

And anotehr Question: does everyone in the US or Canada have the same values? again, no. this is why people have their own opinions, dammit!

You claim to love freedom to belive what you belive, claim freedom to put that into practice, but you would deny it to the rest of the world, or more accuatly, anyone who does not share your Values.

Shame on you. Why don't you go read Matthew 7: 1-5?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Yes, we did read your post. In its entirety.

IDIC is a TELEVISION SHOW PHILOSOPHY and you're using it to excuse a mass murderer because of his "culture!"

Do you see how twisted that is?

I'd advise you to learn to separate fantasy from reality. While it would be nice to say that we should all accept each other's differences, there are FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTS AND WRONGS. One of them is murder. War is not murder unless the objective is to annihilate a population. Murder is NOT correct, in any shape or form. You don't blithely brush it away by using some silly moral relativism like IDIC.

Minuet was being nice, but I'm going to be blunt. Your post was sophomoric.
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Cptjeff,

Do you find murder acceptable?
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somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
OK - lets be specific about the guy then - when he was imprisoned in Saudi Arabia , what exactly was he convicted of ?

(Assuming of coarse he wasn't imprisoned for saying something nasty about the House of Saud , and wasn't a political prisoner).

Here's a link about political prisoners in Saudi Arabia  ==>Link

Where in the article did it say he was imprisoned for his political beliefs?

NO WHERE! He was imprisoned for extremist activities.

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
But wait - this is all perfectly OK because the house of Saud are chummy with Bush and co.

There's nothing to support this statement except for the delusions of leftist Bush Bashers.

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
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fat lazy butt
where did you get the idea I was fat ?

I'm psychic.

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
We are still waiting for you provide evidence for your allegations  that I am antisemetic, lying , and for substantiation of your simplistic and biggotted claims  made in this thread.

Oh, so are you saying you're Muslim, otherwise how could you claim that calling you anti-Semitic is somehow fearful of Islam?

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM
So your attempt to change the subject and divert attention will not was , nor will attempting to use character assassination and personal attacks. That approach no longer works .

Prove your allegations or retract them .

You are anti-Semitic, most everyone here knows it, so I need not prove nor retract anything.
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Jan 28 2005, 11:06 AM
If I was lazy would I be studying while I am between jobs , or doing tough and demanding courses like physics and another engineering degree (Comp.Eng) concurrently ?

Heck - if I were lazy I would simply collect the dole payment and go fishing every single day of the year and make no effort to find another job or to educate myself.

But thanks for asking.

And of course we only have your word for this, and your word doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Jan 28 2005, 05:57 PM
IDIC is a TELEVISION SHOW PHILOSOPHY and you're using it to excuse a mass murderer because of his "culture!"

One should point that even in the show that preached IDIC not one of the noble caricatures would have used this philosophy to ignore the actions in question. Most of the time the characters broke the philosophy of IDIC to stop those who where committing such aggresses acts. Start Trek may have made a point of IDIC but it also made a point that even across different cultures something’s where universal – “human rights being one of them” even if the prevailing culture at the time didn’t thing so.

Of course this is just as show, but the point is still important.
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somerled
Jan 28 2005, 11:06 AM
If I was lazy would I be studying while I am between jobs , or doing tough and demanding courses like physics and another engineering degree (Comp.Eng) concurrently ?

Heck - if I were lazy I would simply collect the dole payment and go fishing every single day of the year and make no effort to find another job or to educate myself.

But thanks for asking.

Man your lucky, I would love to just step out of work and go to school full time on the governments dime for free. School was much more fun and fulfilling then work ever is. I can’t blame you somerled for taking the easy life, I would do the same if I could.
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Jan 28 2005, 05:44 PM
Just a quick question- did anyone bother to read my post before reponding to it? I mean, accually listening and absorbing what I said?

Min, you said that we can condem them. Baised on what? do our Moral values and theirs coincide on every point? I can save you the trouble of finding out- No. They do not.

And anotehr Question: does everyone in the US or Canada have the same values? again, no. this is why people have their own opinions, dammit!

You claim to love freedom to belive what you belive, claim freedom to put that into practice, but you would deny it to the rest of the world, or more accuatly, anyone who does not share your Values.

Shame on you. Why don't you go read Matthew 7: 1-5?

Cptjeff - did you bother to read MY post???????????????????

I condemned the act of an individual. I have stated repeatedly that I do not believe that this act is actually condoned by Islam. Therefore the argument that we should accept it because it's just a cultural difference makes absolutely no sense whatsover.

Oh - and by the way - for someone who claims to have such respect for other cultures you made a huge faux pas in this post. I have mentioned many many times on these boards - in threads that I am positive that you participated in - that I am Jewish. (In fact I know I told you specifically in one thread where we were talking about Nazism) So why the heck are you shaming me for not reading a NEW testament passage.

Not very tolerant of you to be shaming people who don't follow the same religion as you. :(


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OK - lets be specific about the guy then - when he was imprisoned in Saudi Arabia , what exactly was he convicted of ?

(Assuming of coarse he wasn't imprisoned for saying something nasty about the House of Saud , and wasn't a political prisoner).

Here's a link about political prisoners in Saudi Arabia  ==>Link



Where in the article did it say he was imprisoned for his political beliefs?

NO WHERE! He was imprisoned for extremist activities.


You still have not defined or given exactly what he was imprisoned for , what he was convicted of - or even if he was actually convicted of anything at all . Extremist activities is a very vague description and could mean virtually anything .

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But wait - this is all perfectly OK because the house of Saud are chummy with Bush and co
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There's nothing to support this statement except for the delusions of leftist Bush Bashers.

Not worth a response.

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fat lazy butt

where did you get the idea I was fat ?



I'm psychic.

Time to trade in your crystal ball. :rotfl: :loling: Cretin.

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We are still waiting for you provide evidence for your allegations  that I am antisemetic, lying , and for substantiation of your simplistic and biggotted claims  made in this thread.


Oh, so are you saying you're Muslim, otherwise how could you claim that calling you anti-Semitic is somehow fearful of Islam?


No - looks like that bodgey crystal ball is playing up again. :loling: :rotfl: :loling: Your allegation is just an pathetic attempt to divert attention from yourself and your hate mongering.

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(somerled @ Jan 28 2005, 08:10 AM)
So your attempt to change the subject and divert attention will not was , nor will attempting to use character assassination and personal attacks. That approach no longer works .

Prove your allegations or retract them .



You are anti-Semitic, most everyone here knows it, so I need not prove nor retract anything.


Then produce evidence to support your allegation.

You have made a serious allegation and have set out on a campaign of character assassination and defamation against me , refused to support your allegation with proof . You had better be able to back it up or it this is apt to become very expensive for you personally.
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