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Jihadist terrorists
Topic Started: Jan 10 2005, 07:50 AM (2,285 Views)
cptjeff
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IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.
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gvok
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I chose other. Your poll is structure such that I must surmize the terrorists' motives. I'm suspect there are many different motives at play.
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cptjeff
Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM
IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.

Cptjeff - we sure as hell can condemn an act like that.

Besides - if anyone should condemn it Somerled should. With what he has written about other religions I don't see how he can sit there behind his computer and ignore this crap.

Tell me - would you say the Spanish Inquisition should be overlooked because they were just practicing thier culture??? Of course not. No religion allows for this type of perversion. Only a nutcase could try to use "culture" as a justification for a cold blooded murder, especially of one's own child.
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Dr. Noah
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How do you feel about Christian Scientists who would refuse life saving medical care for their children because of their religion?
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Minuet
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I don't see how you can compare the two. One is a lack of action taken due to faith. The other is an action taken falsly in the name of faith.

I really don't think Islam as a religion would condone this murder. Just like today Christians realize that the Inquisition was a mistake.

Blaming religion for this is wrong - this happened because of false pride. I merely felt that if Somerled was going to use thier religion as an excuse to justify this henious act then he should at least be consistent and condemn it the way he condemns other religions.
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Dwayne
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Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand.

To quote the article...
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The suspect ... ... has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for 18 months for his extremist activities.

Just what kind of extremist activities gets you imprisoned in Saudi Arabia???
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Minuet
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Whoops - I guess I read too quickly and missed that part.

My other comments still stand however - Somerled is a hypocrite for the exact reasons I stated.
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gvok
Jan 27 2005, 04:52 PM
I chose other. Your poll is structure such that I must surmize the terrorists' motives. I'm suspect there are many different motives at play.

Now that's a good point.
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Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand. It does not say anywhere that the man was a Jihadist or that he had engaged in any type of terrorism. In fact I have not noticed many Kuwaiti Jihadists. This is an isolated incident.

HOWEVER.........

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw Somerled's response

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A bit extreme - but it's part of their culture and while it is not what we would do, honor killings are common in other faiths as well - Hindo and even in some sects of christianity.


I cannot believe your hypocrisy. :jawdrop: You claim to be against violence. You also constantly condemn other religions as superstition. You should be condemning this crime in the strongest words possible using the same language you reserve for other religions. Where are your comments about superstitious nonsense and how it has caused more death and destruction in the world then anything else.

No - this cold blooded henious act you actually condone because it is "part of thier culture"

You truely sicken me when you do this.

Twisting my words again I see.

Where did I say I agree with the act. (I used the word ABUSE to describe act of honour killing , and I was stating a fact , or maybe you missed it.)

When is this thread going to discuss the topic ?
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Dwayne
Jan 27 2005, 10:12 PM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand.

To quote the article...
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The suspect ... ... has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for 18 months for his extremist activities.

Just what kind of extremist activities gets you imprisoned in Saudi Arabia???

Extremist activities is a very vague description , who knows what that actually means.

Extremism does mean different things in different cultures and different societies.

He could have been prosecuted for advocating a people's revolution and the installation of democracy in Kuwait , or for advocating the removal and disposession of the Kuwaiti ruling family (they wouldn't like that). You will have to do better than that, and be more specific.
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Dwayne
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somerled
Jan 27 2005, 10:54 PM
Dwayne
Jan 27 2005, 10:12 PM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand.

To quote the article...
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The suspect ... ... has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for 18 months for his extremist activities.

Just what kind of extremist activities gets you imprisoned in Saudi Arabia???

Extremist activities is a very vague description , who knows what that actually means.

Extremism does mean different things in different cultures and different societies.

He could have been prosecuted for advocating a people's revolution and the installation of democracy in Kuwait , or for advocating the removal and disposession of the Kuwaiti ruling family (they wouldn't like that). You will have to do better than that, and be more specific.

THe man is Kuwaiti ... he was imprisoned in Saud Arabia.

Reading comprehension was never your strong suit.
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somerled
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Dwayne
Jan 27 2005, 11:36 PM
somerled
Jan 27 2005, 10:54 PM
Dwayne
Jan 27 2005, 10:12 PM
Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 10:20 AM
Dwayne - while I condemn what the man in your latest article did I fail to see what it has to do with the subject at hand.

To quote the article...
Quote:
 
The suspect ... ... has been imprisoned in Saudi Arabia for 18 months for his extremist activities.

Just what kind of extremist activities gets you imprisoned in Saudi Arabia???

Extremist activities is a very vague description , who knows what that actually means.

Extremism does mean different things in different cultures and different societies.

He could have been prosecuted for advocating a people's revolution and the installation of democracy in Kuwait , or for advocating the removal and disposession of the Kuwaiti ruling family (they wouldn't like that). You will have to do better than that, and be more specific.

THe man is Kuwaiti ... he was imprisoned in Saud Arabia.

Reading comprehension was never your strong suit.

So what ?

Lots of muslims visit Saudi Arabia each year , very few of them are terrorists.

Where's your evidence he is a terrorist ?

You still haven't provided evidence for your earlier islamophobic posts , we are still waiting .
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Dwayne
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somerled
Jan 28 2005, 01:43 AM
Lots of muslims visit Saudi Arabia each year , very few of them are terrorists.

Where's your evidence he is a terrorist ?

The evidence is that he spent 18 months in a Saudi prison for extremist activity and once home he attempts to kill his daughter with a dull blade, leaves her squirting blood from her neck only to get a sharper blade so he can finish the job.

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 01:43 AM
You still haven't provided evidence for your earlier islamophobic posts , we are still waiting .

I've sourced everything, so if you have some complaint, then YOU better get off you fat lazy butt, and bring foward some irrationally fearful statements I made about Muslims, which I did not source. Until you do so, I'll just consider this another one of your lies.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Minuet
Jan 27 2005, 04:32 PM
cptjeff
Jan 27 2005, 04:43 PM
IDIC. Infinate diversity in Infinite Combinations...

What do we all have in cmmon? oh yeah, we like star trek. We get into the show. But somehow we can't seem to understand that one undeniable, fundimental point that the show was trying to make. IDIC. If it's their culture, we can say, 'please stop that.' But we cannot Condem them, nor can we impose beliefs on them, baised on our concepts of right and Wrong.

Cptjeff - we sure as hell can condemn an act like that.

Besides - if anyone should condemn it Somerled should. With what he has written about other religions I don't see how he can sit there behind his computer and ignore this crap.

Tell me - would you say the Spanish Inquisition should be overlooked because they were just practicing thier culture??? Of course not. No religion allows for this type of perversion. Only a nutcase could try to use "culture" as a justification for a cold blooded murder, especially of one's own child.

The Inquisition was just understood, Min...
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Dwayne
Jan 28 2005, 07:02 AM
somerled
Jan 28 2005, 01:43 AM
Lots of muslims visit Saudi Arabia each year , very few of them are terrorists.

Where's your evidence he is a terrorist ?

The evidence is that he spent 18 months in a Saudi prison for extremist activity and once home he attempts to kill his daughter with a dull blade, leaves her squirting blood from her neck only to get a sharper blade so he can finish the job.

somerled
Jan 28 2005, 01:43 AM
You still haven't provided evidence for your earlier islamophobic posts , we are still waiting .

I've sourced everything, so if you have some complaint, then YOU better get off you fat lazy butt, and bring foward some irrationally fearful statements I made about Muslims, which I did not source. Until you do so, I'll just consider this another one of your lies.

OK - lets be specific about the guy then - when he was imprisoned in Saudi Arabia , what exactly was he convicted of ?

(Assuming of coarse he wasn't imprisoned for saying something nasty about the House of Saud , and wasn't a political prisoner).

Here's a link about political prisoners in Saudi Arabia ==>Link

But wait - this is all perfectly OK because the house of Saud are chummy with Bush and co.

And by the way , Re
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fat lazy butt
where did you get the idea I was fat ?

We are still waiting for you provide evidence for your allegations that I am antisemetic, lying , and for substantiation of your simplistic and biggotted claims made in this thread. So your attempt to change the subject and divert attention will not was , nor will attempting to use character assassination and personal attacks. That approach no longer works .

Prove your allegations or retract them .
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