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Should people be up in arms over this?
Topic Started: Dec 7 2004, 10:30 AM (269 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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Why put a warning label on it?

Should one be put on a milkshake too? After all, a large shake at some fast food places contains over 20 grams of fat. French fries, while containing no cholesterol, also are high in fat. What about the sugar content in Coke, which is all carbohydrates? The question is, where do you stop?

Who wouldn't know that a big double hamburger with four slices of cheese and slices of bacon isn't healthy?

Personally, I applaud Hardee's for thumbing their collective noses at the Safety Sally types who want to regulate anything. I'd never eat there, but think that people should have the freedom to eat what they want. (Just so I don't go off topic, I also think that smoking should be legal. I don't smoke (quit years ago), but don't have a problem with people who do.)


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Personally, I applaud Hardee's for thumbing their collective noses at the Safety Sally types who want to regulate anything. I'd never eat there, but think that people should have the freedom to eat what they want. (Just so I don't go off topic, I also think that smoking should be legal. I don't smoke (quit years ago), but don't have a problem with people who do.)


Do you extend that liberal (in the old sense of the word) attitude to currently illegal drugs. You could say that if adults want to take drugs they can weigh up the risks and decide for themselves just the same as with tobacco, alcohol etc. If you start going down that liberal (you might say libertarian) route do you also say adults should be free to gamble their own money as they want? Should be free to watch whatever pornography they want? etc. Where does it end.

I guess thats where you have to apply the classic liberal test, does it cause harm to others? With the pornography you could answer yes and therefore you have reason for controls. With drugs you could answer yes because of the knock on effects such as crime and anti-social behaviour. With tobacco you could answer yes because of the risks from passive smoking, hence why I support bans in public places. With high fat food however its much more difficult to see how its causing harm to others to allow adults to choose.

The only reason for controls on high fat foods I can see is if you are a nanny stater who thinks that sometimes people dont make choices which are good for them so the state therefore has a duty to intervene and make sure you make good choices. I dont subscribe to that idea.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 8 2004, 08:09 AM
Why put a warning label on it?

Should one be put on a milkshake too? After all, a large shake at some fast food places contains over 20 grams of fat. French fries, while containing no cholesterol, also are high in fat. What about the sugar content in Coke, which is all carbohydrates? The question is, where do you stop?

Who wouldn't know that a big double hamburger with four slices of cheese and slices of bacon isn't healthy?

Personally, I applaud Hardee's for thumbing their collective noses at the Safety Sally types who want to regulate anything. I'd never eat there, but think that people should have the freedom to eat what they want. (Just so I don't go off topic, I also think that smoking should be legal. I don't smoke (quit years ago), but don't have a problem with people who do.)

As I am a social conservative, I would not be opposed to banning cigarettes. True it is a freedom, but cigarettes add no good to society that I can see. In fact, cigarettes negatively affect society by harming health, creating litter and wasting money that could be spent on useful stuff.

I am not zealous over this issue one way or the other, and when you get right down to it I just want the USA to ban cigarettes or shut up about it.
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ImpulseEngine
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This big deal is not a big deal. (Ok, sorry. :angel: )

I agree. It's a matter of choice. It affects the person who makes the choice and no one else. If a person wants to eat healthy foods, they can choose not to eat one of these (or a part of one of these as the case may be...)
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Fesarius
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I am not zealous over this issue one way or the other, and when you get right down to it I just want the USA to ban cigarettes or shut up about it.

Damn straight you're not zealous about it. You Canadians are all alike when it comes to this issue--one that IMO *should* have been resolved in Texas years ago.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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ds9074
Dec 8 2004, 07:20 AM
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Personally, I applaud Hardee's for thumbing their collective noses at the Safety Sally types who want to regulate anything. I'd never eat there, but think that people should have the freedom to eat what they want. (Just so I don't go off topic, I also think that smoking should be legal. I don't smoke (quit years ago), but don't have a problem with people who do.)


Do you extend that liberal (in the old sense of the word) attitude to currently illegal drugs. You could say that if adults want to take drugs they can weigh up the risks and decide for themselves just the same as with tobacco, alcohol etc. If you start going down that liberal (you might say libertarian) route do you also say adults should be free to gamble their own money as they want? Should be free to watch whatever pornography they want? etc. Where does it end.

I guess thats where you have to apply the classic liberal test, does it cause harm to others? With the pornography you could answer yes and therefore you have reason for controls. With drugs you could answer yes because of the knock on effects such as crime and anti-social behaviour. With tobacco you could answer yes because of the risks from passive smoking, hence why I support bans in public places. With high fat food however its much more difficult to see how its causing harm to others to allow adults to choose.

The only reason for controls on high fat foods I can see is if you are a nanny stater who thinks that sometimes people dont make choices which are good for them so the state therefore has a duty to intervene and make sure you make good choices. I dont subscribe to that idea.

No, because illegal drugs can cause side effects (e.g., people getting stoned and losing the ability to react to stimuli... like an oncoming lorry) that could affect other people. We have restaurants with smoking areas, and others that have signs saying that they are smoke free. Works for me.

Alcohol is not an illegal drug. There are substantial penalties for driving while intoxicated.

So, getting back to a hamburger restaurant chain and its decision to serve food their customers desire...
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Fesarius
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The restaurant should be able to do this. However, how long do you think it will be before someone charges a restaurant with giving them heart disease as a result? Given today's often 'wrong is right and right is wrong' mentality, I'd say it's a distinct possibility.
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cptjeff
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the warning label sugestion wasn't serious at all. I stated that in my post...
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Dr. Noah
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I agree with 38 about cigarettes. They're the most addictive and deadly drug legal or illegal right now. And they don't even do anything for you!

Alcohol is almost as deadly. Kills people everyday, unfortunately, its also very tasty and well integrated into Western culture. However, there are drugs that remain illegal that are not as harmful. That is hypocracy.
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Dec 8 2004, 12:53 PM
I agree with 38 about cigarettes. They're the most addictive and deadly drug legal or illegal right now. And they don't even do anything for you!

Alcohol is almost as deadly. Kills people everyday, unfortunately, its also very tasty and well integrated into Western culture. However, there are drugs that remain illegal that are not as harmful. That is hypocracy.

I would amend your statement to read "Distilled alcohol is almost as deadly."

I draw a line between Wine/Beer and Whiskey/Bourbon/Rum/etc. I think that the consumption of beer and wine by western culture is possibly a reason for our success as it was an important way to avoid getting contagious infectious diseases from drinking water, before moder sanitation came about.

Also, it has been shown that moderate amounts of wine and beer are good for you when used properly, where as just drinking grape juice is not as good. Distilled non-medicinal alcohol can only serve an intoxicating purpose and is abuse of a substance in my opinion.
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Dr. Noah
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Hey, you don't have to convince me!!

Beer is my 5th food group! :lol:

However, in China, hot tea helped stop the spread of disease in a similar manner, but in regards to distilled alcohol:

My friend's teenage son was telling me about MTV airing alcohol drinking contests and I was :realmad: I had to step right in and tell him people get killed doing stuff like that and MTV is very irresponsible for making it look cool.
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Hoss
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Hot Tea = boiling water = dead germs = eleminating infectious disease = 1.6 Billion Chinese ;)
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Fesarius
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A six-pack and a bag of potato chips = The Sisko's idea of a seven-course meal. ;)
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Dr. Noah
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You know, beer is made from grain, which you should get six servings a day from. ;)
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Fesarius
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^^^
I had a strong feeling that you would agree with me on this. :)
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