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Self Defense
Topic Started: Dec 5 2004, 10:27 PM (794 Views)
Fesarius
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DS,

That's a nice response. I would maintain that God gave you life, but that your life is not a 'right' in the conventional sense. What I mean to say is that your life is God's, and not yours. JMHO. :)
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DS,

I've reread your post. Are talking about rights in an entitlement context, such as that contained within the wording of the U.S. Constitution: 'life, liberty, or property' (via John Locke, I think) or that of the Declaration, which speaks of ' ... certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness'? Of course, I would expect that you would adhere to the British counterparts of these documents, but not being familiar with them, I cited the U.S. documents. BTW, for my own part, I draw a distinction between spiritual and legal rights. :)
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The British equilivant states simply;

"Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law"

Its not very romantic, it doesnt stir you like the US documents but I like it. I take it to mean this, I have a right to life which comes from a higher power than any earthly authority. It is one of those inalienable, fundemental rights - indeed they are refered to as fundemental rights in the Act. The earthly authority, Parliament and its laws, seeks to protect my God given right, but does not grant me the right itself.
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^^^
Well said. :)
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Hoss
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Don't make me use my bare hands on you.
US Constitution; Amend. V
 
nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law
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Fesarius
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Correction? Or something else? :)
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Hoss
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I was indicating that the rights to life, liberty and property are clearly indicated in the US Constitution. It isn't just some fuzzy ideal that we all have in the back of our mind.
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ds9074
Dec 8 2004, 01:23 PM
The British equilivant states simply;

"Everyone's right to life shall be protected by law"


But that seems to give more value to a felon's life than a victim's...
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Hoss
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What good is this 'right' on paper to liberty and private property if you do not also have the right to defend it?
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[/QUOTE]I will say this though, ask any American police man, and privately and off the record, many will tell you that if you encounter a criminal in your house who intends you harm, kill that person, because if you simply detain that person, regardless whether you physically harm the person, they will likely sue you in civil courts for pain and suffering
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Unfortunately, I have heard the same thing. The justice system is not what it should be. I shouldn't have to kill someone to keep myself out of jail.

I don't think that deadly force should be used in the case of property tresspass, or burlary. People's lives are worth more than some stupid "property". However, if I feel at any point that my life or the life of my family is in danger, I wouldn't hesitate to use lethal force. I am not going to ask the person if they intend to harm me or not.
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ds9074
Dec 8 2004, 08:42 AM
In my view the right to life superseeds all other rights

Oh really, then I guess you're against abortion.
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Dr. Noah
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I actually heard of a case where a burgler fell through someone's roof and sued them!! :rotfl:

I can't believe judges don't throw these cases out. How sad. :no:
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  I actually heard of a case where a burgler fell through someone's roof and sued them!! rofll.gif

I can't believe judges don't throw these cases out. How sad. no.gif


I remember that case from when I was much younger. It was the first case where I reaized that the justice system was not all that it was cracked up to be.

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QUOTE (ds9074 @ Dec 8 2004, 08:42 AM)
In my view the right to life superseeds all other rights

Oh really, then I guess you're against abortion.


I would hate to see this turn into an abortion thread, but you have a point there.
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I was indicating that the rights to life, liberty and property are clearly indicated in the US Constitution. It isn't just some fuzzy ideal that we all have in the back of our mind.

38957,

Okay, understood. Please don't let that happen again. :)
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