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Pentagon Debate Rages Over "Misinformation"
Topic Started: Dec 2 2004, 10:11 AM (416 Views)
gvok
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Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 04:15 PM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 04:08 PM
And I think this might have a negative effect on the military's credibility.

Of course it will CNN (and freinds) will make sure that it does.

I recognize that you feel that way, Dan. I see it differently.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 03:12 PM
ABG, you're a good guy!

Why, thank you gvok, the same to ya. :)
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Dandandat
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 04:16 PM
Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 04:15 PM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 04:08 PM
And I think this might have a negative effect on the military's credibility.

Of course it will CNN (and freinds) will make sure that it does.

I recognize that you feel that way, Dan. I see it differently.

Ok
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2004, 04:17 PM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 03:12 PM
ABG, you're a good guy! 

Why, thank you gvok, the same to ya.

I hope that you have a pleasant evening, my friend. :D


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Boys - stop it NOW!

Post edited due to 38957's wonderful editing! - Now I say "keep saying the nice things to each other" :loling: :loling: :loling:
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Dwayne
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 12:22 PM
Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 12:19 PM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 12:16 PM
I think most reasonable people would agree that the government should do it's best to maintain it's credibility.

I would also think that most reasonable people would agree that the government cant always be 100% honest when dealing with matters of national security.

Dan, do you think there is a difference between withholding information and misleading the press?

Information warfare is an integral part of any war. One of the best examples of this is Desert Shield ... the lead up to Desert Storm ... and Desert Storm as well.

In the months and weeks before the ground offensive, the U.S. military repeatedly allowed the media to film LSM's and hovercraft practice shore landings.

As well, there was a lot of talk to the media about direct tank on tank combat along the Kuwaiti-Saudi border.

These two things, by way of an unsuspecting media, served to fool the Iraqi forces into believing America would storm Kuwaiti shores and would cross the Kuwaiti-Saudi border. Instead the American forces, shifted to the west, out-flanked the Iraqi forces and attacked them from behind. The tactic saved American lives.

The media would not have knowingly told the Iraqi forces a lie, so they were made to unknowing tell the Iraqi forces a lie.
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Except that now we are dealing with an insurgency. We have been told repeatedly that the objective is to win the hearts and minds. How can we do that without maintaining the trust of the media?
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Dwayne
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 11:56 PM
Except that now we are dealing with an insurgency.  We have been told repeatedly that the objective is to win the hearts and minds.  How can we do that without maintaining the trust of the media?

I thought long and hard about what to say to you ... oh, I'm sorry, I lied ... I only thought for about 1.5 seconds before I concluded that the boys at Iraq the Model probably had something to say to you.

In fact, it took me about as much time to find something relevent at Iraq the Model as it took to decide that's where I'd find an answer to you.

Mohammed has your answer.
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I used to watch the media presenting the false image all the time and then I would want to scream out loud:  This is not the whole truth, this isn’t right . You’re overlooking a great deal of the truth and you’re not presenting the feelings of the love that exists; those feelings that are stronger than weapons and politics and are stronger than the hatred you’re trying to spread.
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 11:20 AM
It would be a bad situation if the media instinctively mistrusted the veracity of information put forth by the military based on this inncodent.

They should.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 10:56 PM
Except that now we are dealing with an insurgency. We have been told repeatedly that the objective is to win the hearts and minds. How can we do that without maintaining the trust of the media?

These are not insurgents, they are terrorists.

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1 : a person who revolts against civil authority or an established government; especially : a rebel not recognized as a belligerent
2 : one who acts contrary to the policies and decisions of one's own political party


They are Baathists who were out of power after Saddam was deposed.

So explain to me why we should be doling out information that terrorists can use against our troops??

As for winning the hearts and minds of IRAQI citizens, most of them still want us there. Trust in OUR media's (most Iraqis do NOT have cable) doesn't figure high. Your argument is specious.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Dec 3 2004, 12:33 AM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 11:20 AM
It would be a bad situation if the media instinctively mistrusted the veracity of information put forth by the military based on this inncodent.

They should.

Who cares.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 3 2004, 07:47 AM
gvok
Dec 2 2004, 10:56 PM
Except that now we are dealing with an insurgency.  We have been told repeatedly that the objective is to win the hearts and minds.  How can we do that without maintaining the trust of the media?

These are not insurgents, they are terrorists.

This reminds me of the suicide bomber / homocide bomber discussion.
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24thcenstfan
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They are insurgents and terrorists and a suicide bomber is also a homocide bomber.

You say tomato, I say tomahto!
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gvok
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I'd like to say "let's call the whole thing off" but it takes two to tango in this situation.
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