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Rumsfeld Facing War Crimes in Germany; Oh brother...
Topic Started: Dec 1 2004, 08:34 PM (866 Views)
somerled
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Admiral MacDonald RN
Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 3 2004, 07:35 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 11:30 PM
Wichita
Dec 2 2004, 10:37 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 03:28 PM
Your recallection is very different to mine and that of most of the world's population.


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BTW, since you are contact with most of the world's population, how are they doing?

Things going well with the jobs? Any new baby pictures? Who's getting married in that tribal village?

Just curious .... ;)

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Do what I do - read the paper and watch and listen to the news and current affairs shows and you'll find out.

Maybe if you tune into BBC world service , or A(ustralian)BC 24 HOUR NEWS service on the radio and thereby listened to news from other nations you might become informed of the views of people in other countries from their perspectives.

What makes you think we don't?

But considering that one of your sources listed had been banned by the British Navy, and the other one is virulently anti-American, why go through the grief?

So, how does that make you in contact with the rest of the world's population? Do you ever read the Polish press, for example?

SBS broadcasts Polish News - unfortunately it's in Polish so pointless my watching it .
They also broadcast Indonesian News - in Indonesian - no I don't speak Indonesian , and German News (in English) - which I do follow - if home.

What's on ABC News Radio

Which of the news sources cited is Anti-American ?
Why would anyone care if the RN has banned it - I find it hard to believe that the RN would ban a news service , how would they enforce such a ban ?

Do you have a link that confirms this banning ?
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somerled
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gvok
Dec 3 2004, 09:36 PM
somerled
Dec 3 2004, 09:29 PM
gvok
Dec 3 2004, 10:09 AM
Somerled, how can you say you are in touch with the rest of the world when you don't even read Worldnetdaily?

Who's to say I don't check it out from time to time.

Good point. So how's Perth this time of year?

Hot and very sunny , and getting hotter.
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somerled
Dec 3 2004, 05:30 AM
Wichita
Dec 2 2004, 10:37 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 03:28 PM
Your recallection is very different to mine and that of most of the world's population.


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BTW, since you are contact with most of the world's population, how are they doing?

Things going well with the jobs? Any new baby pictures? Who's getting married in that tribal village?

Just curious .... ;)

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Do what I do - read the paper and watch and listen to the news and current affairs shows and you'll find out.

Maybe if you tune into BBC world service , or A(ustralian)BC 24 HOUR NEWS service on the radio and thereby listened to news from other nations you might become informed of the views of people in other countries from their perspectives.

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Sorry - I just noticed this one.

Let me just get this out of the way now ...


:loling: :loling: :loling: :loling:

You have not idea what I read or did not read.

You also have no idea what most of the world's 6 BILLION people think.

Did you notice that BBC today admitted one of their SOURCES for a story who they interviewed ON THE AIR did not even work for the group that they claimed he offically represented?

This is who you are recommending as the being able to tell me the truth .. :rolleyes:

In addition to radio, television and the Internet, I've been doing some reading of blogs from various countries. Yes, I am limited to those written in English, but I would say most definitely that most prefer freedom to a mindless adherence to an "international law" that guarantees their enslavement and torture.

The difference between us is that I'm not claiming that I know what 6% of the world thinks let alone 60% as you are. :rolleyes:

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benetil
Dec 3 2004, 06:01 PM
My most negative impressions of Donald Rumsfeld revolve around his "shock and awe" war plan and his "flowers and candy" end-game. In my opinion, he was wrong on both counts - and I think he would have served us better to emphasize the risks and play down the "cinch" aspects of invading a country like Iraq.

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At the very beginning of the conflict, I heard the Administration say (paraphrased) that the war on terror was going to be a long war... that it would be a war fought in the public eye but also behind the scenes ... that it would not be a war won quickly.

I would not use the word "cinch" to describe those sentiments.

I'm curious why you think that it is Rumsfield's "shock and awe" plan? Yes, as Department head it is "his" in the sense that he approved it, but you don't actually think he created it, do you?

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Dec 3 2004, 10:01 PM

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At the very beginning of the conflict, I heard the Administration say (paraphrased) that the war on terror was going to be a long war... that it would be a war fought in the public eye but also behind the scenes ... that it would not be a war won quickly.

I would not use the word "cinch" to describe those sentiments.

I'm curious why you think that it is Rumsfield's "shock and awe" plan? Yes, as Department head it is "his" in the sense that he approved it, but you don't actually think he created it, do you?

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Wichita:

You're right that I'm probably guilty of a certain amout of "selective hearing" and a little bias against the Bush administration. Even though I think I'm being fair, I probably let too many of my personal feelings about the President, most of which are negative, taint things a little bit.

I’m not sure who the brains behind the “shock and awe” gimmick was. But I clearly remember Donald Rumsfeld repeating and repeating that line prior to the time that we attacked Iraq in March of 2003. He (Rumsfled) seemed to really like the phrase even if he didn’t come up with it on his own. He seemed to believe it (at the time), too.

The one individual I distinctly remember warning the American public about the costs, duration and deadly risks associated with going to Iraq was Richard Lugar. Senator Lugar repeatedly said we could be looking at a trillion dollars, and perhaps a decade of commitment. All I remember the administration saying was that we'd do whatever it took.

Donald Rumsfeld’s leaked memo of snowflakes didn’t land in the press’s lap until about October of 2003, if I remember correctly. This very memo contained the Rumsfeldian “long hard slog” phrase. This was one of the first times I remember hearing anyone in the Bush administration acknowledge how difficult the war in Iraq was turning out to be.

SHOCK AND AWE turned into LONG HARD SLOG somewhere along the line.

My cautious personality is such that I'd rather see LONG HARD SLOG turn into SHOCK AND AWE.
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benetil
Dec 4 2004, 11:36 AM
SHOCK AND AWE turned into LONG HARD SLOG somewhere along the line.

My cautious personality is such that I'd rather see LONG HARD SLOG turn into SHOCK AND AWE.

I beg to differ - It was told to us that the invasion of Iraq would be a long and hard road long before we received word about how military actions would be carried out. SHOCK AND AWE was an operation rolled out when we already where committed to the invasion and after it was explained to us that we where in this for the long hall.

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Dandandat
Dec 4 2004, 12:21 PM
benetil
Dec 4 2004, 11:36 AM
SHOCK AND AWE turned into LONG HARD SLOG somewhere along the line.

My cautious personality is such that I'd rather see LONG HARD SLOG turn into SHOCK AND AWE.

I beg to differ - It was told to us that the invasion of Iraq would be a long and hard road long before we received word about how military actions would be carried out. SHOCK AND AWE was an operation rolled out when we already where committed to the invasion and after it was explained to us that we where in this for the long hall.

The impression that was given was that the war would be finished very quickly and that Iraqis would behave much the same way as the French did on the liberation of Paris.

An impression reinforced by Bush's aircraft carrier speech. (Which was pretty premature at best.)

Neither of these happened.
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