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| somerled | Dec 3 2004, 12:45 AM Post #61 |
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Gross miss-treatment of prisoners. Outsourcing torture Not man enough to take responsibility for his own orders (see above two) and allowing subordinates to take the blame for him. Preemptive warfare (pretty much his idea). Arrogance. Corrupt dealings. Bigotty. How's that for a start ? |
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| Dandandat | Dec 3 2004, 12:47 AM Post #62 |
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Like with a lot of things, only in your mind my freind. Don’t jump to conclusions somerled, you may be making to much out of things. |
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| somerled | Dec 3 2004, 12:53 AM Post #63 |
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record : where are the Iraqi WMD ? where is the proof of Iraqi links to Al Quaeda (and 9-11) ? who is benefiting most from reconstruction (what there is of it that is) in Iraq ? who is benefiting most from sales of Iraqi oil (when it flows) ? who is benefiting most from international oil price hikes ? |
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| Dandandat | Dec 3 2004, 01:10 AM Post #64 |
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These questions have been answered for you countless times, whether you agree with them or not they have been answer, why would I waste my time answering them for you yet again if by tomorrow you will again act as if no one has answered? Disagreement is one thing shutting ones self off from conversation, fingers in ears singing la la la la, is a hole other matter. I often find that those that are so ridged in their interpretation and understanding of the world are often wrong simply because they are not open to all the possibilities. Maybe its your age, maybe its your lot in life I really don’t mean to judge, every one is entitled to their opinions, but I suggest you allow your self to freely think once and while, allow new ideas in, reject them if they do not pass mustard but don’t act as if they do not exist. |
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| somerled | Dec 3 2004, 01:13 AM Post #65 |
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So who is singing la-la-la with their fingers in their ears and head buried in the sand ? Oh by the winning an election does not necessarily make one right. All you need to do is look at 20th century history to see that. |
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| Dandandat | Dec 3 2004, 01:16 AM Post #66 |
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If you need me to say it yet again why not just ask, but you are only just proving my point - I believe I was saying that was you. |
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| somerled | Dec 3 2004, 01:21 AM Post #67 |
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Sure it's not you and some of your pals ? (Start of another circular debate methinks.) |
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| Dandandat | Dec 3 2004, 01:31 AM Post #68 |
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I am sure that “it is” ture for some of those you would call my pals, they are just as guilt of what I have described of you above. As for my self - no, I don’t close my self off to other possibilities and act as if I am the authority on anything. I do not go around claiming things like “I taught Scotty everything he knows.” – that is just not how I operate. When I disagree with some one, I acknowledge what they have to say and have no need in asking them the same questions over and over again as if they have not answered the first time I asked. You, and some of those who you would call my pals should try once and while to come down from the high horse and see how the world really is once and awhile and leave behind for a moment what you think it is. Of corse that’s what you think, it plays into what I have been trying to say to you in these past few posts. |
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| benetil | Dec 3 2004, 07:25 AM Post #69 |
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Hi, Wichita. With the exception of the Vice President, you're right about cabinet members not campaigning for their inbumbent president. But Donald Rumsfeld virtually dropped out of public sight during some of the most deadly months our (HIS) soldiers faced in Iraq - while the Department of Defense was busy extending the contracts of service men and women, Secretary Rumsfeld was achingly invisible. I just thought it was odd (suspicious) that a guy who seemed to relish getting up in front of the press and conducting those press conferences - week after week, month after month - was so hard to find when the centerpiece of the Bush administration was enduring significant loss. I wondered if maybe we weren't seeing one of those classic Wizard of Oz moments - when we weren't supposed to notice that man behind the curtain. And my suspicions were confirmed when I saw Donald Rumsfeld hold a televised conference right after the President was re-elected. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 3 2004, 07:35 AM Post #70 |
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What makes you think we don't? But considering that one of your sources listed had been banned by the British Navy, and the other one is virulently anti-American, why go through the grief? So, how does that make you in contact with the rest of the world's population? Do you ever read the Polish press, for example? |
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| gvok | Dec 3 2004, 10:09 AM Post #71 |
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Somerled, how can you say you are in touch with the rest of the world when you don't even read Worldnetdaily? |
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| benetil | Dec 3 2004, 01:01 PM Post #72 |
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Admiralbill_gomec: I'll try not to editorialize too much. I don't know Donald Rumsfeld personally. My opinions and perceptions of him are based on the policies I see him sponsor - and his style as I see him explain those policies. I know that many people see things differently than I do. On to business: My most negative impressions of Donald Rumsfeld revolve around his "shock and awe" war plan and his "flowers and candy" end-game. In my opinion, he was wrong on both counts - and I think he would have served us better to emphasize the risks and play down the "cinch" aspects of invading a country like Iraq. The used-car salesman mannerisms that he exuded while he played to the press, the American public and the world turned my stomach. The next most negative impression that I have of Donald Rumsfeld is how he continually insisted that we had enough troops in Iraq to maintain security - secure Iraq's borders. Tactics like extending terms of service for military personnel, using reserves, only to now (post re-election) increase the number of US troops - causes me to turn a suspicious eye toward Secretary Rumsfeld. I also remember thinking poorly of Donald Rumsfeld when his "are we losing the war on terror?" (so called internal memorandum) memo mysteriously appeared in the news. I remember thinking that Donald Rumsfeld was a quite an actor as he held a straight face while he said that he might as well hold a press conference to talk about his "internal" memo since it was leaked to the press. If I remember correctly, he (Rumsfled) called the ideas/questions in his memo snowflakes - that he liked to sprinkle down on his underlings at the Pentagon. And, lastly - try as I might - I just can't get around that photo of Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein (1980s I believe). Fesarius: I hope this goes to help answer your question, too. |
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| Fesarius | Dec 3 2004, 01:40 PM Post #73 |
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Benetil, Thank you for taking the time to list some of those reasons. |
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| somerled | Dec 3 2004, 09:29 PM Post #74 |
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Who's to say I don't check it out from time to time. |
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| gvok | Dec 3 2004, 09:36 PM Post #75 |
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Good point. So how's Perth this time of year? |
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