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Rumsfeld Facing War Crimes in Germany; Oh brother...
Topic Started: Dec 1 2004, 08:34 PM (869 Views)
Fesarius
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Why do you despise him so much?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dec 2 2004, 11:48 AM
I really despise Donald Rumsfeld. I don't know if he is a criminal or not, but I think he's a genuine jerk.

I thought it was really funny (in a sinister, dishonest kind of way) how he (Rumsfeld) dropped completely off the radar screen during the weeks leading up to the election - to be replaced by dyed-in-the-wool Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Guilianni and several hip-hop bands.

Ah well - par for the "Bush" course.

Why do you "despise" him. What has he done to offend you?

Don't editorialize, just give us the reasons.

P.S. Hip hop bands? Like who? I never saw any mentioned.
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Fesarius
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Benetil,

I'd like to hear some specifics (re: Rumsfeld). I'm curious, that's all.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Me, I'd like to hear some factual reasons.
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Minuet
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Admiral - with all due respect one does not need a factual reason to "despise" someone else. A simple disagreement in opinion is all that is needed. Since "opinion" is not fact there is nothing to prove.
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Dandandat
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Minuet
Dec 2 2004, 03:49 PM
Admiral - with all due respect one does not need a factual reason to "despise" someone else. A simple disagreement in opinion is all that is needed. Since "opinion" is not fact there is nothing to prove.

Agreed, I give credit to benetil for this line "I don't know if he is a criminal or not, but I think he's a genuine jerk." I can respect the opinion of some one thinking Rumsfeild is a jerk, I just don’t understand those who want to make him out to be a war criminal or evil or ect with no substituted facts other then the fact one disagrees with the war.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Min, I guess I am just tired of the usual... "he's a meanie because he's evil" rant I hear so often from some posters. I didn't expect this from Benetil, who although being to the left of most everyone in here, is quite polite and rational about it.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 03:05 PM
Minuet
Dec 2 2004, 03:49 PM
Admiral - with all due respect one does not need a factual reason to "despise" someone else. A simple disagreement in opinion is all that is needed. Since "opinion" is not fact there is nothing to prove.

Agreed, I give credit to benetil for this line "I don't know if he is a criminal or not, but I think he's a genuine jerk." I can respect the opinion of some one thinking Rumsfeild is a jerk, I just don’t understand those who want to make him out to be a war criminal or evil or ect.

He's a war criminal to the loony left because he's working for the evil Bush administration, whose strings are pulled by big oil, or is it Bush 41, or maybe Bilderburgers, or the Freemasons, or aliens. :D
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Makes about as much sense as the "Bush Administration can do no wrong.." crap I hear from some people.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 03:10 PM
Makes about as much sense as the "Bush Administration can do no wrong.." crap I hear from some people.

Funny that I don't know anyone here who has said this. So, unless you can find proof, I suggest you are not telling the truth.
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gvok
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You want proof that there are people on this board who interpret any criticism of Bush as treason?
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Minuet
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Boys - stop it NOW!
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Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 10:34 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 10:22 AM
I can't speak for Gvok , but I was following thing very closely as I was opposed to the adventure from the outset and a very long way from convinced that an invasion was justifyable.


So you are here admitting you had strong preconceived notions on the subject form the beginning and we are to believe that these notions did not cloud your judgment while the case was being made? right.


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And there was an awful of Bulldust being tossed about then by Bush and his pals.
I guess by them you mean WMD and I would agree with you (except for the fact that it was not Bulldust) that WMD where shown strongly in the case to go to war. But they where not the only reason given and they where not shown to be the most important reason. They where used as a means to mobilize the western world. Who in our selfish and self absorbed vain would have scuffled at any other reason that did not impact our direct and “immediate” lives.

Perhaps the reason why so many believe that WMDs where the only reason that was given, is that WMDs was the only reason these people took note of. They just let everything else slip by because it had no immediate impact on their daily lives.

Yes - if actually listening to what Blix was saying , and being prepared to let his teams finish the job they were expert at , and being opposed to attacking a sovereign nation who was not attacking any other nation and being extremely skeptical about the claims that were being made by the USA and UK regarding terror links and huge battle ready stocks of sundry types of WMD and nuclear programs based largely on old intelligence, fabricated intelligence (and forged documents) and the say so of a few defectors (who's motives were dubious) , and being very disturbed by the notion of preemptive warfare - in order to avoid war - only Bush and Rumsfeld could dream that idiosy up !) means I had "preconcieved
ideas" .
Seems I was right - all along.
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Dec 2 2004, 10:37 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 03:28 PM
Your recallection is very different to mine and that of most of the world's population.


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BTW, since you are contact with most of the world's population, how are they doing?

Things going well with the jobs? Any new baby pictures? Who's getting married in that tribal village?

Just curious .... ;)

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Do what I do - read the paper and watch and listen to the news and current affairs shows and you'll find out.

Maybe if you tune into BBC world service , or A(ustralian)BC 24 HOUR NEWS service on the radio and thereby listened to news from other nations you might become informed of the views of people in other countries from their perspectives.
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Dec 2 2004, 12:55 PM
benetil
Dec 2 2004, 05:48 PM
I really despise Donald Rumsfeld. I don't know if he is a criminal or not, but I think he's a genuine jerk.

I thought it was really funny (in a sinister, dishonest kind of way) how he (Rumsfeld) dropped completely off the radar screen during the weeks leading up to the election - to be replaced by dyed-in-the-wool Republicans like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Rudy Guilianni and several hip-hop bands.

Ah well - par for the "Bush" course.

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Actually Cabinet officials typically DON'T campaign for incumbents. I wouldn't say that it has never happened, but it certainly is extremely rare for it to happen IMO.

I would have been more surprised to have seen him than to not have seen him.

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Or maybe the Bush Election Team saw Rumsfeld as a very negative influence and he was told to cool it until after the election.
I also noticed that Rumsfeld had a low profile in the last few months of the election.

I'll second Benetil's notion that Rumsfeld is a jerk - in fact I would be inclined to use more colourful language to describe my opinion of him as person, a man and of his policies and actions.
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