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Rumsfeld Facing War Crimes in Germany; Oh brother...
Topic Started: Dec 1 2004, 08:34 PM (871 Views)
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cptjeff
Dec 2 2004, 04:10 AM
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you should have a basis in fact... the world court doesn't typically accept challenges from random people of the street.

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Actually complaints have been filed in the World Court by individuals. They may represent other groups, but I've seen the news reports only listing an individual as being the person to file the claim.

One war crimes filing notice I saw was against General Tommy Franks personally and was based on entirely on the use of a specific type of conventional weapon in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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somerled
Dec 2 2004, 03:05 AM

Saddam wasn't a nice leader



LOL, Oooh thats harsh ;)
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Dec 2 2004, 02:05 AM
doctortobe
Dec 2 2004, 02:45 AM
Yes, we should have just left Saddam alone.  HE wasn't a war criminal was he?

Saddam wasn't a nice leader, however that was not a good excuse to kill thousands and harm many more , and destroy a country in an effort to depose him.

And his character wasn't the reason used to wage war on Iraq , invade and occupy the place was it ?

I guess he wasn't a nice leader, if you overlook the THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND he had killed and buried in mass graves, or the hundreds of thousands tortured because they disagreed with him...

:realmad:
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captain_proton_au
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What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment :shrug:
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captain_proton_au
Dec 2 2004, 08:11 AM
What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment :shrug:

I would venture a guess and say that war crimes are not what is important to them, its just a means to an end.
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Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 08:27 AM
captain_proton_au
Dec 2 2004, 08:11 AM
What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment  :shrug:

I would venture a guess and say that war crimes are not what is important to them, its just a means to an end.

Maybe they consider Rumsfeld a very big fish, and those others, not so big a fish.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2004, 08:06 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 02:05 AM
doctortobe
Dec 2 2004, 02:45 AM
Yes, we should have just left Saddam alone.  HE wasn't a war criminal was he?

Saddam wasn't a nice leader, however that was not a good excuse to kill thousands and harm many more , and destroy a country in an effort to depose him.

And his character wasn't the reason used to wage war on Iraq , invade and occupy the place was it ?

I guess he wasn't a nice leader, if you overlook the THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND he had killed and buried in mass graves, or the hundreds of thousands tortured because they disagreed with him...

:realmad:

And this happened with USA's tacid approval , by the USA doing absolutely nothing but tutt tutting at the time.

Oh wait - weren't Saddam and Rumsfeld chummy while most of these abuses were happening ? (And you can bet Rumsfeld was informed by his people that these things were happening.)
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somerled
Dec 2 2004, 09:49 AM
Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 08:27 AM
captain_proton_au
Dec 2 2004, 08:11 AM
What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment  :shrug:

I would venture a guess and say that war crimes are not what is important to them, its just a means to an end.

Maybe they consider Rumfeld a very big fish, and those others, not so big a fish.

Maybe they personally don’t like Rumsfeld and the bush demonstration and are using every means at their disposal to make them look bad and get them out of power.
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somerled
Dec 2 2004, 09:49 AM
Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 08:27 AM
captain_proton_au
Dec 2 2004, 08:11 AM
What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment  :shrug:

I would venture a guess and say that war crimes are not what is important to them, its just a means to an end.

Maybe they consider Rumsfeld a very big fish, and those others, not so big a fish.

Well if one defines a big fish by where they come from rather then what they do then that person is a complete idiot.
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cptjeff
Dec 1 2004, 10:52 PM
somthing called "international law"- it keeps forign relations running smoothly- less wars over power and all that.

Jeff - the charges filed in Canada were not to the world court. The were to a Canadian court and they are a complete waste of time. Just a bunch of idiots trying to get some press while Bush was visiting. I don't expect the charges to be followed up on in any way - except maybe a very fast dismissal.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2004, 08:06 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 02:05 AM
doctortobe
Dec 2 2004, 02:45 AM
Yes, we should have just left Saddam alone.  HE wasn't a war criminal was he?

Saddam wasn't a nice leader, however that was not a good excuse to kill thousands and harm many more , and destroy a country in an effort to depose him.

And his character wasn't the reason used to wage war on Iraq , invade and occupy the place was it ?

I guess he wasn't a nice leader, if you overlook the THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND he had killed and buried in mass graves, or the hundreds of thousands tortured because they disagreed with him...

:realmad:

This reason has often been pulled out as an apology for the invasion and the destructive aftermath. I don't remember it being used as the primary reason for the invasion however.
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Minuet
Dec 2 2004, 10:02 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 09:49 AM
Dandandat
Dec 2 2004, 08:27 AM
captain_proton_au
Dec 2 2004, 08:11 AM
What I dont understand is why these groups go after Rumsfeld, but ignore the leaders of places like Sierra Leone and the Sudan where REAL warcrimes are happening at the moment  :shrug:

I would venture a guess and say that war crimes are not what is important to them, its just a means to an end.

Maybe they consider Rumsfeld a very big fish, and those others, not so big a fish.

Well if one defines a big fish by where they come from rather then what they do then that person is a complete idiot.

None- the - less , Rumsfeld has a very high profile and many people see him as a war criminal (and he is far from likeable).

Those other people are also criminals and deserve prosecution - but are protected from prosecution largely because they are beyond the current reach of the Internation Court of Justice , just like Rumsfeld is (currently - and that can change sometime in the future - at which time he may well be brought to book along with his lackies like Bush, Franks and that guy who rank GBP in Cuba) , and he's worse as he pretends he has a just cause and he claims the moral high grounds despite walking all over international laws and conventions , and even USA's laws and constitution.
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 10:07 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2004, 08:06 AM
somerled
Dec 2 2004, 02:05 AM
doctortobe
Dec 2 2004, 02:45 AM
Yes, we should have just left Saddam alone.  HE wasn't a war criminal was he?

Saddam wasn't a nice leader, however that was not a good excuse to kill thousands and harm many more , and destroy a country in an effort to depose him.

And his character wasn't the reason used to wage war on Iraq , invade and occupy the place was it ?

I guess he wasn't a nice leader, if you overlook the THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND he had killed and buried in mass graves, or the hundreds of thousands tortured because they disagreed with him...

:realmad:

This reason has often been pulled out as an apology for the invasion and the destructive aftermath. I don't remember it being used as the primary reason for the invasion however.

Then I guess you where not paying attention before the war started as to the reasons given for going to war. WMD may have been played up to get people mobilized (much of the hype was form new outlets out to sell news) but it was not sighted as the only and/or most important reason.
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Believe what you want to believe Dan.
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Dandandat
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gvok
Dec 2 2004, 10:15 AM
Believe what you want to believe Dan.

Its not a matter of what I want to believe, its a matter of what was said and what I heard. You on the other hand may believe what ever furthers your cause.
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