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Bhopal 20 years on - still a disaster happening; A disgrace .
Topic Started: Dec 1 2004, 07:29 AM (328 Views)
somerled
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Contamination is still killing there.

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Multinationals and their managements paying peanuts or escaping justice. What's new about that ?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Any other sources aside from this? Why bitch at us instead of bitching at UNION CARBIDE?
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Fesarius
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Somerled,

Just because we live in the greatest country on earth, doesn't mean we can solve all of your problems. :)
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somerled
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 1 2004, 11:05 AM
Any other sources aside from this? Why bitch at us instead of bitching at UNION CARBIDE?

So attacking globalisation and multinational companies who seem to get away with murder is to attack the USA ?

That's interesting.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I doubt you would have said a word if UC was an Aussie company.

Second, ANY OTHER SOURCES ASIDE FROM YOUR SINGLE SOURCE? (Again?)
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somerled
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Dec 2 2004, 08:09 AM
I doubt you would have said a word if UC was an Aussie company.

Second, ANY OTHER SOURCES ASIDE FROM YOUR SINGLE SOURCE? (Again?)


Take another look - I gave a link to numerous sources..

Here's an Australian company that is also multinational and has behaved in a criminal manner and also excaped the reach of the law by dubious means -

James Hardie - has been responsible for mining raw asbestos, manufacturing and selling asbestos building and insulation materials and with withholding information about the dangers of exposure to asbestos (fibres and dust generated on handling and working with the material) for several decades despite being fully aware of the risks. The shifted their company management and shares offshore to escape their obligations and left the victims of their products in the lerch and have refused to accept culperability or responsibility.

Here's the latest move in the Hardy Drama - Hollow win for asbestos victims
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Cheques will be in the mail for James Hardie's asbestos victims - at least until the end of January - after a last-minute deal saved their compensation foundation from provisional liquidation.

The reprieve came in the form of a "no strings attached" payment of $88 million by a former James Hardie subsidiary to the Medical Research and Compensation Foundation (MRCF).

Victims described it as a hollow victory, while unions said they could now concentrate on talks with building products group James Hardie to solve the longer-term issue of a $2 billion funding shortfall over the next 50 years.

Dozens of victims and supporters packed into a NSW courtroom to hear an application for provisional liquidation by the MRCF, the foundation set up by James Hardie in 2001 to handle claims by victims of its asbestos products.

But the hearing ended unexpectedly when the MRCF requested, and was granted, an adjournment until January 31.

The development came after former James Hardie subsidiary ABN 60 made an 11th hour rescue offer in a letter handed to the MRCF's lawyers midway through the court hearing, stating that $88 million had been deposited into the foundation's bank account.
James Hardie set aside the funds when it established the subsidiary three years ago.

The MRCF had previously rejected money from ABN 60, saying it had strings attached as accepting the cash would prevent it from ever suing James Hardie.

ABN 60 confirmed that was not the case, prompting the MRCF's decision to take the funds.

Just minutes before receiving the letter, the MRCF told the court that the foundation was in a dire financial situation, with the total of notified claims more than three times the money it had in the bank.

The MRCF said it expected its funds to run down to zero by the end of February or early March.

Although the funds could still run out by that time, the MRCF can now continue to pay claims in full at least until its next court appearance.

It also means the $8 million worth of payments yet to be received by victims who have won their compensation cases can now be paid.

They include 44-year-old Sydney resident Mark Hollis, who along with his wife and two children joined 250 asbestos victims and their supporters in a rally outside the court, calling on James Hardie to meet its present and future compensation responsibilities.

"For them it's not a bad little Christmas present," Asbestos Diseases Foundation of Australia president Barry Robson said of the Hollis family.



These people are just as criminal as the management of Dupont / Union Carbide (especially at the time of the disaster) and are very nasty people indeed and are hiding from their responsibilities just as Dupont / Union Carbide are in the case of Bhopal, only in the case of James Hardy the disaster is prolonged and no one has seen thousands of dead and dying in the street, but Hardy's thousands of victims are dying just as surely, but in private and in a nasty lingering way and the know victims are just the tip of the iceberg. Hardie' is seeking to minimise financial harm their bottom line at the cost of inadequate compensation to their victims and their victims' surviving immediate families. Very immoral and criminal.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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No, Somerled, you gave the same website as a link for both of your original post, and it was not a news organization but rather what we call "personal interest". It would be like me giving my blog URL as a source of fact.

As for the Australian company, why didn't you talk about them then?

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behaved in a criminal manner and also excaped the reach of the law


Sounds like the behaved unethically, but still legally.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 1 2004, 11:05 AM
Any other sources aside from this? Why bitch at us instead of bitching at UNION CARBIDE?

I don't think Union Carbide exists as a corporation anymore.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Of course they do. They are a wholly owned subsidiary of Dow, though.

http://www.unioncarbide.com/
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24thcenstfan
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As a side note, my grandmother worked at a Union Carbide plant in Charlotte, NC for almost 30 years making batteries. Unfortunately, she passed away ten days before I was born so I was never able to meet her. My mom told me the conditions at the plant were pretty bad (workers were exposed to a lot of pollutants, acid).

Health and safety standards in the workplace were a joke back then.
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I think good working conditions merely enable the employees to want more from their employers.
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^I do not concur. The opposite is true. End of story. :P
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somerled
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Dec 2 2004, 11:20 AM
No, Somerled, you gave the same website as a link for both of your original post, and it was not a news organization but rather what we call "personal interest". It would be like me giving my blog URL as a source of fact.

As for the Australian company, why didn't you talk about them then?

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behaved in a criminal manner and also excaped the reach of the law


Sounds like the behaved unethically, but still legally.

You have no problem with the kind of behaviour exhibited by UC / Dupont and the likes of James Hardy then ?

DO you think the people who were responsible should not be brought to book and their continuing to hide behind foreign borders is perfectly OK ?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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You really do have problems reading, don't you? Dyslexia maybe? So-called ADD?

They behaved UNETHICALLY. I have a major problem with that. They did not, however, behave illegally. Get it?

Troll...

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somerled
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Dec 4 2004, 10:01 AM
You really do have problems reading, don't you? Dyslexia maybe? So-called ADD?

They behaved UNETHICALLY. I have a major problem with that. They did not, however, behave illegally. Get it?

Troll...

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DO you think the people who were responsible should not be brought to book and their continuing to hide behind foreign borders is perfectly OK ?


Who's trolling who I wonder ?

That was a perfectly legitimate question.

You afterall don't like government of business behaviour. Business will never act ethically unless it is in their financial interests, they will act even more uneffically if they are involved internationally - for obvious reasons.
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