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| Dandandat | Nov 30 2004, 08:45 PM Post #46 |
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Time to put something here
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I do not see good to the greater society in the idea of curtailing basic rights to a portion of the society to keep the other portion more safe. I in fact see a harm - its an tried saying but its true "Those who are willing to give up freedom for a little safety deserve neither freedom nor safety".
Just because it happend in the past does not make it right. |
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| doctortobe | Nov 30 2004, 10:00 PM Post #47 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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If you believe that stopping people who have flown planes into buildings and decapitated hostages "a little safety", then there is no point in arguing with you. I would instead counter with my own tried and true saying. Something about being lead along like lambs to the slaughterhouse.
Just because you do not agree with it does not make it wrong. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 30 2004, 10:15 PM Post #48 |
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Time to put something here
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And where did I say I believed that “stopping people who have flown planes into buildings and decapitated hostages "a little safety"”. If you are going to put words in to my mouth their is no point in arguing with you. What I did say is that I will not treat those who have not flown planes into buildings and decapitated hostages as if they have flown planes into buildings and decapitated hostages just because they have the same color skin as those who have flown planes into buildings and decapitated hostages. You are right, I am only stating my opinion, which I know you are doing to, I have never said it was more then that. But because I believe it is wrong I will fight against it if it ever comes to that. |
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| somerled | Nov 30 2004, 11:18 PM Post #49 |
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Yes - that is indeed a problem . It is too easy to get credit here . The banks, building societies and credit unions are very stringent, but the finance companies and loan sharks aren't , and it's the finance companies who are lending these kids the money. |
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| doctortobe | Dec 1 2004, 04:15 AM Post #50 |
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Speak softly, and carry a 57 megaton stick!
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And where have I said that it has anything to do with the color of their skin? Talk about putting words in people's mouth. It is the faith that is the problem. I suppose that the Chinese Muslems that were causing trouble don't count because of the color of their skin? Just because they aren't Arabs, the butchers in Chechnya don't count in the whole Islamic terrorist scheme of things? This is not a racial matter, but a cultural one. |
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| somerled | Dec 1 2004, 07:22 AM Post #51 |
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Admiral MacDonald RN
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Maybe this tangent should go to another thread as it is not relevent here. Here maybe |
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| Dandandat | Dec 1 2004, 08:27 AM Post #52 |
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Time to put something here
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You are right my mistake, I am sorry its not the color if their skin but their religion that bothers you, something just as protected by our constitution as ones race. Let me ask you this though, say we where to round up all the Muslims that live in this country and put them into concentration camps as you suggest. So we go around door to door rounding up Muslims to put in these camps, and we get to Asif’s house, unbeknownst to us Asif is a terrorist - part of a sleeper cell. Now we ask Asif if he is Muslim because we are rounding up Muslims to throw them into our concentration camps, and he says “no sir, I am not a Muslim I was born to a Muslim family but I have denounced that faith a long time ago”. Are you going to say ok and walk away, leaving Asif be? Sorry Doc, I will never agree that its ok to take away the rights of others for my own personal gain, my own rights mean to much to me then that. |
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