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Kids hooning in fast cars on powerful bikes
Topic Started: Nov 27 2004, 01:48 AM (717 Views)
Fesarius
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Kids need to be taught responsibility, not given the keys to a new car on their 16th birthday.

Admiral,

Because it's your birthday, I'll go easy on you. Your post above indicates that you lack compassion, are a bigot, love dirty air, hate animals, want all of the forests to burn down, and have a general disdain for charities.














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Hoss
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I am just getting into this and haven't read every post, but did anyone ever figure out what 'hooning' means. I am assuming that it is a verb?
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One thing I really like about the graduated licencing system in Ontario is that it applies to everyone - not just young drivers.

A 40 year old getting thier license for the first time is treated exactly the same as a 16 year old.
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Fesarius
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That's a perfect example of 'hooning.' :)
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How is it any different then interring people just because of their race, creed or ethnicity. Your are imposing unjust regulations on people because of their age. Not every one who is between 16 and 21 are hooners and you would impose these punishments on them as well. Those are the people I am deafening not the Hooners. The reason your methods would be unjust is because you will be punishing every one for the actions of a few because of who they are and not what they have done, just as those who want to inter all Muslimism are punishing all for the action of a few because of who they are and not what they have done.

You don’t care not because you are not a hooner but because you are of an age greater then your cut off for these regulation. I think you would feel different if it was said everyone must drive a car with no more than 1200 CC engine capacity. Im sure their is enough evidence that points to people of all ages hurting or killing with cars with greater engine capacity to justify making such a law. But you wont have it because it will directly effect you. You don’t mind imposing unjust laws on the innocent (again not every one between the ages of 16 and 21 are hooners) just as long as they do not effect you, that is a dangerous place to stand.


These kids don't have indelible tatoos on their foreheads that say I am car mad, I am a hoon so a wide net must be caste in order to be sure the idoits and crazys are caught up and taken out of the system. Sure some good kids will loose the privilege of being able to drive or own cars , but they will adjust.

I comply to road rules, and have a very good driving record - I have a maximum and now life long protected non-claim bonus as a reward and have a Gold Drivers' licence (which lasts 5 years between renewels) - I earnt these.
So I have earnt the privilage of no restrictions (driving and vehicle type).

The street is not the place to hoon, just their preferred place as it's close to the pubs , clubs and easy to get to.

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Nov 29 2004, 07:07 PM
I am just getting into this and haven't read every post, but did anyone ever figure out what 'hooning' means. I am assuming that it is a verb?

Perhaps " Too Fast - Too Furious" might explain it to you - note - I haven't seen that movie - not my thing I'm affraid.
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Nov 29 2004, 03:38 PM
somerled
Nov 28 2004, 04:22 AM
Some have wealthy parents who buy these flash and very powerful car for them or they borrow mum's or dad's car.
Some have jobs and since they are still living at home they have lots of liquid assets and they lavish their money doing up there cars, things like putting bigger capacity reconditioned or new engines into them, turbo-charging, artwork, chroming-plating engine externals,  expensive and hyperloud sound car soundsystems, lights under the bodies, spoilers and body-kits. Chromotheric paint jobs - that change colour with the angle you look at the body panels, and the light conditions. All of which costs many thousands of dollars , and they have nothing  but their cars, themselves and a good time to spend their money on.
And there are some who steal powerful cars to go joy-riding, these cars usually turn up a burnt out hulks later.

I don't know how long it has been since you have been at school, but having a job that pays only minimum wage will get you now where near the money needed to buy a car that is suitable for modification, and then buying the parts for this car. As you said these modifications cost thousands of dollars. With all the costs of clothes, field trips, and other expenses, there is no way a teenage working three hours, three days a week at minimum wage will ever be able to pay for these. Although I do agree with you, rich parents spoil their kids to the point where they feel that they are better than the rest of society and about the law.

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Most cars are relatively easy to steal, unless the owner has installed an engine demobiliser , and there have been plenty of movies and TV shows that show how to do it.

I've locked myself out of my car from time to and getting in is breeze - given a piece of packing strip, (I usually get NRMA road service  to come and let me in though), bypassing the key ignition is easy too as is forcing the internal steering wheel lock.

A determined car stealer wont be deterred by any security system , and many have scanners and can record the frequency and code transmitted by the remote, and then simply play it back and retransmit it.
But many of the cars these kids are hooning are older models bought secondhand and done up by them that don't come standard with security systems.


Thats all fine and dandy, by you are making teens look like they are master theives that can jack a car at wim, which is no where near the truth

It is all too easy for these kids to go and get finance (ie borrow often 100% the price of the car) or borrow or get credit cards to finance their expensive motorised wet dreams.
Most of these kids are heavily in debt in order to have the cars and modifications involved.

The car dealers don't care about the ability of a driver to safely operate the vehicles that they are selling, and they are aways keen to arrange the financing - so they get a commission from the finance company too. One the car drives off their lot it's no longer their problem.
And the finance companies don't care about the ability of the buying to pay, so long as the car is fully insured.

And not all the cars being driven by hoons are brand new or current models - older cars with big engines are popular (and cheaply had secondhand).

As to thievery - some are - thieves.
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Dandandat
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somerled
Nov 29 2004, 09:55 PM
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How is it any different then interring people just because of their race, creed or ethnicity. Your are imposing unjust regulations on people because of their age. Not every one who is between 16 and 21 are hooners and you would impose these punishments on them as well. Those are the people I am deafening not the Hooners. The reason your methods would be unjust is because you will be punishing every one for the actions of a few because of who they are and not what they have done, just as those who want to inter all Muslimism are punishing all for the action of a few because of who they are and not what they have done.

You don’t care not because you are not a hooner but because you are of an age greater then your cut off for these regulation. I think you would feel different if it was said everyone must drive a car with no more than 1200 CC engine capacity. Im sure their is enough evidence that points to people of all ages hurting or killing with cars with greater engine capacity to justify making such a law. But you wont have it because it will directly effect you. You don’t mind imposing unjust laws on the innocent (again not every one between the ages of 16 and 21 are hooners) just as long as they do not effect you, that is a dangerous place to stand.


These kids don't have indelible tatoos on their foreheads that say I am car mad, I am a hoon so a wide net must be caste in order to be sure the idoits and crazys are caught up and taken out of the system. Sure some good kids will loose the privilege of being able to drive or own cars , but they will adjust.

These Muslims don't have indelible tatoos on their foreheads that say I am kill mad, I am a terrorist so a wide net must be caste in order to be sure the evil and crazys are caught up and taken out of the system. Sure some good Muslims will loose the privilege of being able to live freely, but they will adjust.

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I comply to road rules, and have a very good driving record - I have a maximum and now life long protected non-claim bonus as a reward and have a Gold Drivers' licence (which lasts 5 years between renewels) - I earnt these.
So I have earnt the privilage of no restrictions (driving and vehicle type).
Good for you, what does this have to do with anything? Even the beast drivers have made mistakes and have hurt people. If some vehicles are more dungarees then others then they should be taken off the street regardless of who is effected. Again you would not execpt this kind of treatment, yet you impose it on otheres.

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The street is not the place to hoon, just their preferred place as it's close to the pubs , clubs and easy to get to.
Agreed, but what’s the point of this statement. Not all young people aged 16 to 21 use their cars for hooning. Some use it to go to work, school, and take their sick mothers to the hospital.
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These Muslims don't have indelible tatoos on their foreheads that say I am kill mad, I am a terrorist so a wide net must be caste in order to be sure the evil and crazys are caught up and taken out of the system. Sure some good Muslims will loose the privilege of being able to live freely, but they will adjust.


In all fairness Dan, "hooners" don't have the capability of killing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands at a time. There is a point where widespread action is justified. If one of these individuals were to wipe out and go through a playground of children, the cause for the actions that somerland is suggesting might be more palatable.
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Dandandat
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somerled
Nov 29 2004, 10:59 PM
It is all too easy for these kids to go and get finance (ie borrow often 100% the price of the car) or borrow or get credit cards to finance their expensive motorised wet dreams.
Most of these kids are heavily in debt in order to have the cars and modifications involved.

The car dealers don't care about the ability of a driver to safely operate the vehicles that they are selling, and they are aways keen to arrange the financing - so they get a commission from the finance company too. One the car drives off their lot it's no longer their problem.
And the finance companies don't care about the ability of the buying to pay, so long as the car is fully insured.

And not all the cars being driven by hoons are brand new or current models - older cars with big engines are popular (and cheaply had secondhand).

As to thievery - some are - thieves.

Sounds like you have a problem of to easy credit, uncaring car dealers, and thievery (not to mention bad parenting) in your country (and/or your area of your country) that you may want to fix before you start punishing innocent kids for things they did not do to make your life easier. Here in the united states it is every hard for some one with no credit history (those young people 16 to 21) to get a car loan, I tell you from experience I was not able to get a car loan on my own until I was 25 despite the fact that I had a good credit (good but young/small history) and had proof of a job that paid me more then enough to cover it. Banks are just not interested in taking the risk that a youth will default on the loan with out some one with good credit cosigning for it as well.
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Dandandat
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doctortobe
Nov 30 2004, 08:53 AM
In all fairness Dan, "hooners" don't have the capability of killing thousands, if not hundreds of thousands at a time. There is a point where widespread action is justified. If one of these individuals were to wipe out and go through a playground of children, the cause for the actions that somerland is suggesting might be more palatable.

I do not agree, the minuet you begin to curtail the rights of some no matter how small or big the infraction may be is the minuet you make it easier to take the next step down that road.

If a kid wipes out and smashes into a group of children, it is that kids fault and that kid (and in my opinion his parents) should be healed accountable for the criminal action. The kid doing as he should, driving nicely and by the law down the other side of the road, should not be punched for something he did not do.
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doctortobe
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I didn't see us taking the next step with the Japanese.
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Nov 29 2004, 06:04 PM
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Kids need to be taught responsibility, not given the keys to a new car on their 16th birthday.

Admiral,

Because it's your birthday, I'll go easy on you. Your post above indicates that you lack compassion, are a bigot, love dirty air, hate animals, want all of the forests to burn down, and have a general disdain for charities.














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Ahhhhhhh, sniff that dirty air!! Smells like burning forest and spotted owls!! :lol:
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Dandandat
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doctortobe
Nov 30 2004, 09:34 AM
I didn't see us taking the next step with the Japanese.

I did not say it is inevitable I said it made it easier. Had the war went on longer had the war touched more of US soil who knows what we would have done. Sorry Doc I under stand your point that is not the problem, you will never convince me that curtailing other peoples rights for your own benefit is an expectable thing to do no matter the circumstance, no matter the cost.
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doctortobe
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For the good of merely myself no. But for the good of the greater society, yes indeed. Periods of war have always shown a greater amount of scrutiny put onto those associated with the enemy. The Civil War, WWI, and WWII all show this trait.
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