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| somerled | Nov 28 2004, 03:22 AM Post #16 |
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Well Ngagh, It works like this . Some have wealthy parents who buy these flash and very powerful car for them or they borrow mum's or dad's car. Some have jobs and since they are still living at home they have lots of liquid assets and they lavish their money doing up there cars, things like putting bigger capacity reconditioned or new engines into them, turbo-charging, artwork, chroming-plating engine externals, expensive and hyperloud sound car soundsystems, lights under the bodies, spoilers and body-kits. Chromotheric paint jobs - that change colour with the angle you look at the body panels, and the light conditions. All of which costs many thousands of dollars , and they have nothing but their cars, themselves and a good time to spend their money on. And there are some who steal powerful cars to go joy-riding, these cars usually turn up a burnt out hulks later. Most cars are relatively easy to steal, unless the owner has installed an engine demobiliser , and there have been plenty of movies and TV shows that show how to do it. I've locked myself out of my car from time to and getting in is breeze - given a piece of packing strip, (I usually get NRMA road service to come and let me in though), bypassing the key ignition is easy too as is forcing the internal steering wheel lock. A determined car stealer wont be deterred by any security system , and many have scanners and can record the frequency and code transmitted by the remote, and then simply play it back and retransmit it. But many of the cars these kids are hooning are older models bought secondhand and done up by them that don't come standard with security systems. As to insurance for younger drivers - it should be extortionate - as they are responsible for a greater proportion of car accidents due to their inexperience, to stupid road behaviour, to drinking and more prone to other intoxicating and distracting influences. I wont let my kids learn to drive in my car, or drive it (unless it's an emergency - so never) - I am not prepared to pay the excess and extra premium associated with drivers under 26 years old driving it. The kids think this is unfair, but they are not prepared to come up the money themselves (several hundred extra dollar per year, as I personally have a maximum LIFETIME (PROTECTED) NO-CLAIM DISCOUNT of 70% of the premium) so that is that. To everyone else who needs to use the roads, carparks and general area when these hoons congregate, and they can a group be very antisocial especially when they are pissed and / or high on drugs - people have been mugged and beaten up on regularly , and fights often break out amongst them and between cliques. I've seen all this happening while fishing the forshore at night, and during the day, they even throw beer and empty spirits bottles at people as they drive by - I've seen that too and some people have recieved serious injuries as a result. There is a significant proportion of these kid who have travelled to Newcastle and have no respect and some are very antisocial and the mob mentality rules with the worst of them -who are literally out of control and looking to cause trouble - and as much as it is possible (fortunately this is not all of them, but like all situations it only takes a few bad apples to ruin (what can be a social if expensive activity) for the rest. |
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| Fesarius | Nov 28 2004, 01:54 PM Post #17 |
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I voted for fourth from the top. I think this is reasonable.
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| DEFIANT | Nov 28 2004, 02:20 PM Post #18 |
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Did you mean this one?: By limiting these inexperienced , immature drivers to ONE PASSENGER and imposing heavy fines if they break this restriction. First, what about the idea of carpooling for energy conservation? Second, in many cases I'm sure this would incourage other inexperienced , immature drivers to drive (since they would usually be driving with peers- and assuming they have liscences and vehicles). |
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| Fesarius | Nov 28 2004, 04:08 PM Post #19 |
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Yes, that's the one I meant. |
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| lister | Nov 29 2004, 12:09 AM Post #20 |
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I got my lisence when I was 16. But I had bought my truck when I was 15. I had been driving it around the ranch for a year befor I got my licence only on private property not on public roads. The rules have changed since I got my licence and drivers under 18 can not drive after midnight and have a 0 alcohal. I did the things you talk about burnouts and the like. I didn't do it very often after I had to buy new tires I payed for every thing on my truckfrom gas to insurance. I think that we just have to enforce the presant laws exibition of power = burnouts exibition of speed = raceing reckless driving = driving in a unsafe manner ie. driving at twice the speed limit wet reckless = same as above but with alcohal and below legal limit dui = driving under the influece drunk .08% CA |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 29 2004, 08:02 AM Post #21 |
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This is silly. It is up to parents to direct and/or restrict children's driving behavior. If Junior can't keep it between the lines, and can't do the speed limit, Mom and Dad take the keys. Simple as that. Kids need to be taught responsibility, not given the keys to a new car on their 16th birthday. |
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| somerled | Nov 29 2004, 08:16 AM Post #22 |
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The local debate More guidance, less torque: the P-plate plan
NSW Opposition says any P-plate curfew unfair
So there are you - these things are a serious issue and when it gets this far, it's likely to happen. I'll fax his office tomorrow with my comments, and I expect lots of people who live in town will too. Too bad kids - but blame your mates. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 29 2004, 09:11 AM Post #23 |
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If I where one of those kids who are being punished for what I have not done, I would be more likely to blame your generation for not parenting your kids correctly before I blamed my mates for not being parented correctly. I would also blame the system for punishing me with out due cause becoming disillusioned in the system and perhaps lash out at it for being unfair and over powering. |
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| somerled | Nov 29 2004, 09:49 AM Post #24 |
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When they come of age to vote, and they might be more likely to reach that age, they can enrole to vote and try to vote the opposition into power and get their revenge that way. And see how long it takes to reverse any of these changes that come into effect in the meantime. I don't think the measures suggested are stern enough. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 29 2004, 10:21 AM Post #25 |
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Time to put something here
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And since that door will be closed to them, they will try to get their way though other means - Crime, Violence maybe drugs. All so you don’t have take the time to fix the real problem. Of cores you don’t, they don’t effect you. Just as those who advocate throwing upstanding Muslims citizens into internment camps for the parried of the war on terror don’t find it a problem, because it doesn’t effect them. Its easy to impose unjust laws, rules and regulations when they don’t effect you. |
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| somerled | Nov 29 2004, 01:13 PM Post #26 |
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I'm not sure if the tougher regulations will increase criminal activity by these kids, and those who do turn to crime to get their way will probably be the ones who were engaging in criminal activities anyway , or were considering it. It will certainly result less crime - hooning is illegal in Australia , and when caught these kids already face fines, loss of licence or licence demerits, and for really dangerous activities very serious charges can and often are imposed on them and they can be compelled to face the magistrates court, or even the criminal courts. The current penalties aren't nearly harsh enough as they don't seem to be deterring them or modifying their behaviour. And you are right - I don't engage in hooning - never have , so the only effects on me will be positive - ie being able to utilise the areas where hoons hoon without worrying about being accosted, injured by some idiot's stupidity, or having my vehicle damaged by them while hooning about. And if the roads are made a little safer and less congested , by fewer cars driven by young drivers , then that's a really good thing too. I'm sure the people who live near the places where hoons congregrate and get up to mistaff will not be too concerned perturbed by harder rules being applied and enforced to reduce hooning. And this is not the same as interring people just because of their race, creed or ethnicity. But that issue is certainly worth talking about , and you are welcome to start a thread, providing you are prepared for some ROBUST argument and debate on it - as it interment is certainly happening here and there and it is a sensitive topic (for some). |
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| Dandandat | Nov 29 2004, 03:04 PM Post #27 |
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How is it any different then interring people just because of their race, creed or ethnicity. Your are imposing unjust regulations on people because of their age. Not every one who is between 16 and 21 are hooners and you would impose these punishments on them as well. Those are the people I am deafening not the Hooners. The reason your methods would be unjust is because you will be punishing every one for the actions of a few because of who they are and not what they have done, just as those who want to inter all Muslimism are punishing all for the action of a few because of who they are and not what they have done. You don’t care not because you are not a hooner but because you are of an age greater then your cut off for these regulation. I think you would feel different if it was said everyone must drive a car with no more than 1200 CC engine capacity. Im sure their is enough evidence that points to people of all ages hurting or killing with cars with greater engine capacity to justify making such a law. But you wont have it because it will directly effect you. You don’t mind imposing unjust laws on the innocent (again not every one between the ages of 16 and 21 are hooners) just as long as they do not effect you, that is a dangerous place to stand. If you impose unjust laws on the innocent you will drive them to brake such laws and others on principle and frustration. Those who would not engage in hooning will find them selves punished for something they did not do, and they will want to lash out at the system. If you want to stop hooning cure the sickness not the symptoms. Speak to your kids, get your community to speak to theirs, don’t punish every one to make your self happy. Yes lets make our lives easer by dumping on some one else. Lets for get that many of these young drivers are driving to school, or college or work. That they are driving their sick mother to the doctor. Lets just get the off the road so we can be less congested. Great plan. |
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| Ngagh | Nov 29 2004, 03:38 PM Post #28 |
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I don't know how long it has been since you have been at school, but having a job that pays only minimum wage will get you now where near the money needed to buy a car that is suitable for modification, and then buying the parts for this car. As you said these modifications cost thousands of dollars. With all the costs of clothes, field trips, and other expenses, there is no way a teenage working three hours, three days a week at minimum wage will ever be able to pay for these. Although I do agree with you, rich parents spoil their kids to the point where they feel that they are better than the rest of society and about the law.
Thats all fine and dandy, by you are making teens look like they are master theives that can jack a car at wim, which is no where near the truth |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 29 2004, 05:01 PM Post #29 |
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None of the above (the poll question). Fines for the first offense, then suspension of driver’s license for the second offense of hooning around . Hooning? Interesting word. Third offense…maybe license revoked until they are 21 (or a long period of time). Also, to get your license reinstated, the teenager would perhaps be required to perform community service as well. The fines and penalties should be progressive. Not one strike and you are out.Anyway, I also support restrictions on those 16 or under. In SC you can get a beginner's permit at age 15. Several restrictions do apply (when you can drive, guardian required to be with you in the car). At 16 you can get a restricted driver's license. Several restrictions do apply including when you can drive and you are limited to the number of underage passengers you can transport if you do not have a licensed adult at least 21 years old. Exceptions are made if you are transporting students to and from school. If you are 17 or older, you can get a regular driver's license. The liscenses and restrictions have changed since I first got my license. I got my beginner's permit at 15 years old, and my regular driver's license when I was 16 yrs old. At least I don't think the license was restricted.
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| Dandandat | Nov 29 2004, 05:02 PM Post #30 |
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Ngagh ^^^^^ He is also diluting him self if he thinks his regulations are going to stop those kids who go out and steal cars. Stealing cars is a much worse offence then the ones he wants to impose on people, so if that doesn’t deter them his regulations wont either. All they will do is punish those who will listen to them, and the chances are those who will listen to them aren’t Hooning around as it is. |
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Third offense…maybe license revoked until they are 21 (or a long period of time). Also, to get your license reinstated, the teenager would perhaps be required to perform community service as well. The fines and penalties should be progressive. Not one strike and you are out.

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